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March 16, 2005 3:01:11 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
The Fantastic Four and Batman Begins are two new flicks coming this summer. I'm looking forward to them because I have always loved both these series. Especially the Fantastics! My favourite character is the Thing. Michael Chiklis will be playing that role in the movie.

Batman movies I think, always seems to get a bad rap. People never seem to like them. I know the comics are better, but putting these comics on screen is really good. Like Xmen and Superman, I always enjoy them.

The good thing is my kids and I have something in common when it comes to animation, comics and stuff like that. My son always says how cool it is (not bragging) that I love these things. I'm just a child at heart, what can I say...

Here's the website if you want to take a look at the trailers and info about the movies if you haven't seen them yet.
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Oh, and before I forget, Marvel.com and Wizard magazine has some really nice posters up, plus there's a vote going on about cover of the year for comic fans!
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Reply #1 March 16, 2005 4:33:55 PM
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I'm 50 years old. I think the third Batman movie has been the best so far. "Batman and Robin" sucked. I always preferred DC National comics. I will say that the writing in Marvel was better. Almost poetry, but I always thought the way the stories were continued in the next issue was a gimmick.
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Reply #2 March 17, 2005 10:29:45 AM
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Hi Icon. Heck, you're close to my age or is that the other way around since I'm almost a decade yournger than you?! Anyway, I did like the first two batman movies too. And I did enjoy the one with George Clooney although a lot of people didn't. Oh yes, Batman is DC comics isn't it? I do like Marvel better especially for the drawing details.
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Reply #3 March 17, 2005 12:18:13 PM
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I thought the scene in "Batman and "Robin" when they were sky surfing was just too ridiculous. And Uma Thurman's lines about "My blood is now aloe" and all that. Yes, Batman is DC Comics. I really liked the original Fantastic Four cartoons, but when they replaced The Human Torch with that robot, it got too silly.
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Reply #4 March 17, 2005 4:09:12 PM
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but when they replaced The Human Torch with that robot, it got too silly.


I know that was kinda silly wasn't it? And the Uma character was a bit too far out. What were they thining! I'm just glad that the Johnny character will be "flaming" in the upcoming movie!
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Reply #5 March 17, 2005 10:19:34 PM
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I love Batman and The Punisher.
The new Punisher flick is due this fall, with Castle going up against Jigsaw (the Punisher's "Joker", if you understand what I mean).

I've never been a big fan of the FF, but I'll go see the movie; love them comic book movies.
As to the Batman movies; The first and second were the best in my book. Michael Keaton IS Batman, just as Christopher Reeve IS Superman.
Val Kilmer was okay, but the casting of the villains in "Forever" was dead-on (even if Two-Face was played by a white guy--Tommy Lee Jones--and Harvey Dent, Face's real name--was originally played by Billy Dee Williams in the first movie). Jim Carrey was perfect as The Riddler; almost as good as Nicholson as The Joker. "Batman and Robin" was not just the last chronologically speaking. Clooney only got the role because he was hot at the time, in my opinion.

I hope the new movie stays away from the surrealism that the older movies went into; Tim Burton paved the way for that with the first one, and the rest of them went right along with it.
I was just re-reading "Batman: Year One", by Frank Miller the other day. If they stay pretty close to that they'll be okay, I think.
I hear that in "Batman Begins", it's Joe Chill that kills the Waynes, just like in the comic....that's cool; I didn't like the New-Age-y, existential crap about Batman and the Joker having "created" each other. It was too hard to believe. Way too coincidental, you know?
I'd also like to see "Batman: Dark Knight Returns" sometime. That would make a great movie. Wait a couple years, and they could even get Keaton to do it. He'd be about the right age by then.
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Reply #6 March 17, 2005 11:03:04 PM
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Michael Keaton IS Batman


I think Kilmer's personality is closer to what Batman's personality is.
Christopher Reeve IS Superman


I'm not sure about this. No other actor has portrayed Superman, but Reeve did look almost identical to the comic book Superman.
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Reply #7 March 18, 2005 8:17:21 AM
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I'm not sure about this. No other actor has portrayed Superman, but Reeve did look almost identical to the comic book Superman.


Well, there first was Kirk Alyn, then George Reeves, and then Dean Cain. All in all, though, Reeve was the best, in my mind.


I, for one, thought Keaton had the right mix of broodiness and jerk-off, dumbass whimsy to play both Bruce Wayne and Batman.
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Reply #8 March 18, 2005 9:52:36 AM
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(the Punisher's "Joker", if you understand what I mean).


Oh yes, definately.

Michael Keaton IS Batman, just as Christopher Reeve IS Superman.


I agree with you here. Michael Keaton was really a great Batman! And of course, Christopher Reeve in my mind and everyone elses I'm sure will always be the best Superman!

Yep, I remember Billy Dee William's character. I thought Tommy Lee Jones in that role was pretty good. Jim Carrey as the Riddler was fantastic!

Batman and the Joker having "created" each other.


I don't know what they were thinking with that one!
"Batman: Dark Knight Returns" sometime. That would make a great movie. Wait a couple years, and they could even get Keaton to do it. He'd be about the right age by then.


If he would do it again. I believe there was some talk some time ago of Michael Keaton reprising the role of Batman but nothing came of it. But that would definately be interesting if he did do it.

Keaton had the right mix of broodiness and jerk-off, dumbass whimsy to play both Bruce Wayne and Batman.


I agree with Rightwinger here Icon, he really fitted that role to a T.
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Reply #9 March 18, 2005 12:05:30 PM
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Well, there first was Kirk Alyn, then George Reeves, and then Dean Cain.


Ok. I forgot about them. I guess I was only thinking about movies.
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Reply #10 March 18, 2005 1:25:20 PM
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Ok. I forgot about them. I guess I was only thinking about movies.


Actually...Kirk Alyn played the first Superman, in the serials, which were movies, and George Reeves as TV's first Superman was introduced in the 1951 theatrical release of "Superman vs. The Mole People". Just being technical.

foreverserenity, did you like "The Punisher"? I loved it; the DVD was released on my birthday, and my wife bought it for me. I watched it probably another six or eighttimes before I finally got tired of it.
I thought Tom Jane really captured the character very well. I also liked how they used some scenes from "Punisher: War Zone" #1 (the "torture" of Mickey Duka) to show that Castle wasn't all psycho nutjob.
And Travolta was really good, too; he's gotten very good at portraying over-the-top bad guys in the last ten years or so.
I was glad they stayed true to the comics, rather than what they did when they mauled it with that Dolph Lundgren abomination back in what? 1990? No Skull! That was like taking the "S" from Superman or the Bat symbol from Batman. What were they thinking?

I always found it cool that The Punisher started out, in 1973, as a villain for Spider-Man and Daredevil, but he earned enough of a synpathetic following that he got his own titles.
My first run-in with The Punisher was in Jr. High, when I was reading a Spidey comic. Spidey had held him up long enough for the cops to arrive, and, as they cuffed him and put him in the back of the car, a detective said to him "You'll go to prison for this," meaning the dozen or more bloody corpses of mafiosi lying around the area.
Castle replied; "Yeah...one nice thing about prison, though: there's lots of criminals there. Lots of'em."
What a badass. It was true love from then on.
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Reply #11 March 18, 2005 1:36:19 PM
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If he would do it again. I believe there was some talk some time ago of Michael Keaton reprising the role of Batman but nothing came of it. But that would definately be interesting if he did do it.


I think he might, if the money was right.
He's proud to have played the role; I saw him on Letterman one night a month or two ago, and he said he has one of those "My other car is the Batmobile" bumper stickers on his SUV. He might come back. As I said, he'd be about the right age by then.
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Reply #12 March 18, 2005 3:28:18 PM
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Kirk Alyn played the first Superman, in the serials, which were movies


Is that the one that mixed live action and animation?
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Reply #13 March 19, 2005 12:36:48 AM
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No, the serials were just live action....I don't know about any live action/animation.
The Fleischer Bros. came out with the first Superman cartoons in the late 30s and early 40s. Quality stuff for the time; I have a bunch of them on DVD....the Alyn stuff is kind of harder to find, unless you want to go hunting for it.

I used to watch the old '50s TV show in reruns as a kid. George Reeves jumping out a window and laying on a glass table in front of a moving backdrop with his arms out. Looked cool then, though.+LOL+
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Reply #14 March 19, 2005 11:44:09 AM
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I can't remember his name, but someone else played Superman on TV before George Reeves. The flying scenes were animated.

Did you ever notice, when someone was shooting at Superman, he would let the bullets bounce off him, but when the gun was empty, the criminal would throw the gun at Superman and he would dodge it?
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Reply #15 March 20, 2005 7:42:13 PM
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NEW SUPERMAN MOVIE! Link
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Reply #16 March 20, 2005 10:04:08 PM
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Did you ever notice, when someone was shooting at Superman, he would let the bullets bounce off him, but when the gun was empty, the criminal would throw the gun at Superman and he would dodge it?


Heh...yeah. Sometimes he would grab the gun and crush it, too. Then when he hit the bad guys, sometimes they'd fall into each other and knock each other out and stuff. It was like watching The Three Stooges.
I always liked the old show because it bad guys were always so "bad"...you know...."dis, dat, dese and does" , morons. It was easy to tell the criminals.
Reeves always faced bug-eyed monsters or gangland hoods, but no supervillains; I don't think Lex Luthor or The Brainiac were ever even mentioned.

I've never heard about the animated/live action one before; I'd like to find them somewhere. They'd be neat.

Thanks for the link.
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Reply #17 March 22, 2005 12:19:09 PM
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foreverserenity, did you like "The Punisher"? I loved it; the DVD was released on my birthday, and my wife bought it for me. I watched it probably another six or eighttimes before I finally got tired of it.I thought Tom Jane really captured the character very well. I also liked how they used some scenes from "Punisher: War Zone" #1 (the "torture" of Mickey Duka) to show that Castle wasn't all psycho nutjob.And Travolta was really good, too; he's gotten very good at portraying over-the-top bad guys in the last ten years or so.I was glad they stayed true to the comics, rather than what they did when they mauled it with that Dolph Lundgren abomination back in what? 1990? No Skull! That was like taking the "S" from Superman or the Bat symbol from Batman. What were they thinking?


Not really. I didn't see the DVD. I know, Travolta is really good at playing bad guy roles. I loved him a lot in Face Off with Nicolas Cage. One of my all time favorite movies. I remember the Lundgren movie - he tried, but alas, not successful!

Did you ever notice, when someone was shooting at Superman, he would let the bullets bounce off him, but when the gun was empty, the criminal would throw the gun at Superman and he would dodge it?


Yep, this was always hilarious that he would do that! I always wondered, uh? If bullets can't kill him, a hit from the gun being thrown will? Har har, possibly it was just the writer's way of showing his "human" reaction to some things!


Thanks for the link to the Superman movie Icon!

I don't think Lex Luthor or The Brainiac were ever even mentioned.

I guess these two characters were developed afterwards in the more modern versions.

Icon and Rightwinger, I'm really impressed by how knowledgeable you guys are! Truly refreshing!
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