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MadIce
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Reply #51 July 7, 2003 3:30:16 PM
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Maybe you also don't know about sourceforge?
The land of better and (mostly) free alternatives?

But I suppose you couldn't hold an argument about BSD licensing vs GPL to save your life, so I'm not even gonna waste my time.

You're just a typical "linux r00lz" monkey who has no backing of reality on their argument.

My job is done here.
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Reply #52 July 7, 2003 3:30:43 PM
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Want to crap on Linux? Then go here: http://www.linuxsucks.org The site is mostly dominated by Linux users including myself. I use to go their to crap on Linux, but I ended up converting.



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Reply #53 July 7, 2003 3:32:40 PM
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A voice in the wilderness...
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MadIce
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Reply #54 July 7, 2003 3:34:29 PM
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You're just a typical "linux r00lz" monkey who has no backing of reality on their argument.


And you are the typical FUD slinging BSD monkey.



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Reply #55 July 7, 2003 3:40:19 PM
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"FUD"
You seem obsessed with the latest and greatest keywords.
Did you e- everything when that was hot too?

Too bad what I speak isn't "FUD" but based on real life experience as a security consultant and the reality of things.

Keep ignoring my questions, its good to play ignorant.


So later'd it isn't even funny.
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Reply #56 July 7, 2003 3:44:37 PM
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The only e- word I use is e-mail.

How about another vocab word? Bias, such as the one you display against Linux.



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Reply #57 July 7, 2003 3:45:00 PM
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Linux rules Doomgaze and you know it damn it!
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Reply #58 July 7, 2003 3:46:59 PM
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In reality, I am for anything that keeps healthy competition. Linux is good because, if nothing else, it is waking others up and keeping them on thier toes.
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Reply #59 July 7, 2003 3:48:58 PM
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oh hell... someone forgot AIX and also Novell onthe server end of things. Server? Go RED!
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Reply #60 July 7, 2003 3:48:58 PM
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Glad to see you have a tolerant point of view DaWebMassa. I am too for competition.

I recognize Windows' right to exist but Window washers do not recognize Linux's right to exist, kind of like the Middle Eastern conflict.


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Reply #61 July 7, 2003 6:13:14 PM
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NOTE: not all progams used on linux are free, however, the thing is correctly called a gnu. linux is the kernel, and the gnu is a free computer with free programs. people who make new variations of gnu/linux might not know that, and therefore force people to have to buy. think of it as a way back to the greedless utopia of long ago.
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Reply #62 July 7, 2003 6:18:05 PM
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Microsoft Office or OpenOffice

actually MS is feeling the bite because of OpenOffice and has dropped Pro and Home editions $100.00 respectively..
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Reply #63 July 7, 2003 6:35:52 PM
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Information on webserver defacings
today alone.
you can obtain this info updated dynamically as new info rolls in.
at zone-h http://www.zone-h.org
Linux (82.4%)

Win 2000 (8.8%)

Win NT9x (2.9%)

SolarisSunOS (2.9%)

Unknown (2.9%)


nuff said?


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Reply #64 July 7, 2003 6:37:42 PM
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BTW in this case higher percentages are not better



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Reply #65 July 7, 2003 7:26:32 PM
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Im gonna get the hell outta here
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Reply #66 July 7, 2003 8:58:22 PM
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Ok I have decided to risk my life in here Yeah I really haven’t used Linux or Mac for a fair enough amount of time to know if I could get used to them, I have bought every Windows, starting with the 9x series then 2000 and finally XP. The only two operating environments I use today is either Win 98 or Win XP pro. I would not however want to fly on an airplane powered by Windows, think about that for a minute, this airplane powered by Windows?

Yeah right, at 20,000 feet the pilot gets a message an error has occurred would you like to send a message to Microsoft? …. As a plane filled with screaming passengers praying to god plummets to earth.
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Reply #67 July 7, 2003 10:14:23 PM
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I would not want to fly in a airplane powered by MS Windows either.
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Reply #68 July 7, 2003 10:19:11 PM
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As far as the contest goes, hacking a site running on Linux was worth more points than hacking a site running on Windows. The larger number of Linux hacks tells me more hackers were out to rack up the big points. This is just like when Presidential candidates mostly focus on targeting states that hold the most electorial votes. Also, these statistics don't say what security measures if any the sites that were hacked used. Maybe sites with little cash flow that use Linux for it's low cost cannot afford good system security staff.
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Reply #69 July 8, 2003 1:33:44 AM
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hey tech I am going to say that at least your not trying to defend OS X like I was a few months back. But after playing around with linux I must say Windows XP is more secure and holds up better. Sorry
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Reply #70 July 8, 2003 5:12:11 AM
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actually tech cat that contest was on sunday.
anyway the fact I see is that most linux admins have the mind set that they are safe from any sort of hack. And tend not to do much of anything to protect their network entry points around such machines.
This sort of cad mindset is what exactly is attracting the hacks.
In the end its a good thing. Finally the holes will become more obvious.
Just because one has not exploited the hole does not mean it does not exist.

Before you refere to me as anti linux. Let me tell you I use 3 linux file servers at work I have two installs at home. I just want ppl that seem to think its bullet proof to know it is NOT.



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Reply #71 July 8, 2003 10:56:22 AM
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Kona, how is XP more secure and hold up better? Proof please. How does XP compare to OS X? How does OS X compare to Linux?
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Reply #72 July 8, 2003 11:01:00 AM
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The only fully functional Firewall is an Air Firewall

Static, kind of my point with the only secure OS/NOS is the one still on the CD in the box.
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Reply #73 July 8, 2003 11:03:19 AM
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In other words no OS and no Firewall is absolutely secure?
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Reply #74 July 8, 2003 11:08:29 AM
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In other words no OS and no Firewall is absolutely secure?


Considering I spent a year of my life dedicated to finding and writing proof of concept exploits for software and appliance firewalls (for a security company)...

No.
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Reply #75 July 8, 2003 11:10:44 AM
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nope...

They can claim that label, but if it can be engineered it can be reverse engineered and there is not one piece of hardware that functions without software of some sort, bits and bytes, and those can be manipulated.

Electrical Impulses can be trapped and re-turned to data for display or storage and every IO device in a computer sends out EI.

Which blows the concept of Air Firewalls out the window, literally, hence the smiley behind my mentioning it in the previous post. I have had Network Engineers make that statement in a room full of people and had to hold myself back from cracking up.


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