I've got rid of all my errors, I've removed the section from my code, and I've reimported the image over and over in different orders and different ways...but no matter what, I see the gripper on my vertical scrollbar and I DON'T see it on my horizontal scrollbar....the weird thing is that the grippers are part of the same file...scrollbarbuttons.bmp...the same file that has the up, down, left, and right buttons as well as the corner image for the scrollbar...why is one showing and the other not? Anybody?