Well, maybe I did something wrong then scorpio...I set the start button, taskbar, quicklaunch, tray, etc. to 25 pixels and it still seems to show up at a height of 30. Yes, I'm trying to design a skin of my own without using someone elses WB as a template. But for some reason, it seems to stay at 30 pixels. However, when I apply a skin with a smaller taskbar/system tray, it shows up fine.