It's a nice idea to think that someday we may overcome our selfish tendencies. Sure it's unrealistic, but we're talking about Science Fiction here, a theme in Sci-Fi often is that humanity somehow eventually becomes better than it is now, makes some magical leap from the society we know today where most people don't care about anything beyond themselves to a society where we all genuinely want to give back for the sake of giving back. It's a story telling device really and lets us explore ideas on how the world would be given different circumstances.[/quote)
One of the great things about Roddenberry's vision, though, was that we made it through the Third World War, and were the better for it. Sci-Fi up to and at that point was most often apocolyptic or post-apocolyptic stuff, giving a bleak view of the future and humanity's role in it.
I agree that it's just sci-fi, and it's a story, but it just always amused me that while Kirk was out there fighting Romulans, Joe Human was probably back home, jobless and sitting on the couch eating Cheetos and watching the Starfleet Academy-Vulcan Science Academy Basketball game.
We can hope for such a future, yes, but I doubt it will ever happen.
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Well..LoL..If no one had to work..what would you call "Starfleet" it's a Military organization, even though their mission was exploration, it was also defense, Thats work.. I have to disagree with your entire anology of the series, and/or the man that created it...
He was a Sci-fi/fantasy writer and though his storylines did not focus strongly upon some elements of real life, that doesnt mean he discounted them altogether..
His goal was to entertain, and thats what he has managed to do.
It's so sad when people can watch a show for years and totally miss the most basic point of it..
Zero.
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People do work in Star Trek's future just different work than now. It is difficult to really speculate on what other jobs exactly as they were rarely portrayed. It appeared though that there were still transportation networks, schools, military and scientists to name a few that I can think of right now.
Picard is shown working in his vineyard in his later years. Is that a hobby or work? I just think jobs other than those on a starship were really not portrayed fully so hard to say what work everyone is doing.
I think Roddenberry liked to also suggest that in the future everyone got along better. However if they get along too well you have no conflict, you have no show. So inevitably problems were introduced, obviously most of them alien, but sometimes conflicts within the crew as well.
I think replicators were on starships since they were easier to provide food for a large crew rather than regular rations. Although as seen on Voyager with Neelix and TNG with Guinan in the bar, they could provide real food and drink served by real people - who are working. I doubt that replicators are used much on earth. In fact did you ever think how the replicators make food? They obviously use something, some type of matter, it doesn't just come out of thin air. Someone has to fixed them when they break, etc. Star Trek doesn't use "droids" or robots really, so I assume its real people doing the work.
Anyway I understand where your statements come from but they do lack some truths. It is after all a TV show and it is impossible to show all they occurs in a society in that time frame. I do agree if society ever reaches a point where there is no "work" then we will die as a society. We live through our accomplishments. When there is nothing to accomplish, we wither and die.
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Humans will be always humans. We are not perfect. Apparently during star trek most of the bad elements has been weeded out. (Hidden history somewhere? ) But it's MOST not all. So Star Trek can have imperfect humans as well as less than perfectly peaceful and honest aliens. 
I do agree if society ever reaches a point where there is no "work" then we will die as a society. We live through our accomplishments. When there is nothing to accomplish, we wither and die. |
I kind of agree with that, but there is ways to have goals. Such as first to see a planet, an alien race, first to discover a new scientific, new technology, etc etc as well as something as simple as trying to make the best wine in known universe. So there is plenty of goals, but nothing related to wealth and/or power.
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Albert Einstein didn't care about money. He did what he did for his own peace of mind and to better all mankind.
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Interesting thread, not sure what it has to do with OS Customization, but it was a good read.
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A bit off topic but none the less trekkie......if fans of star trek are referred to as "trekkies" what are fans of star wars referred to as? "Warries?"
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Well, since we're fabling about some hypothetic distant future, I don't think that a world without money, hunger or greed is automatically a world without work. I don't see why such a world would automatically be a world where everybody is lazy. As somebody else said, there are jobs that will always be needed. Teachers, doctors, repairmen, etc. Would a world where there is no financial reason to work be without any of these? Who would want to work if he doesn't have to? Well, I think there can be other incentives than money. Recognitions, appreciation, social status, etc. And even those who wouldn't choose to work wouldn't necessarely be lazy. There are quite a number of sports and activities that people could enjoy. It wouldn't make them lazy. Some could build antique wood furniture just for the hell of it, like some people here spend a great amount of time making skins without ever seeing a peny for it.
If you won 200 million dollars, what would you do? Wake up every day at 4 pm and drink Romulan beer? I don't think so. Well, I know I wouldn't. I'd probably work as hard as I do now, except I'd do what I want to do and I'd do it because I want to. I'd probably still teach, but not full time. I'd probably travel a lot. And I'd probably do more widgets and skins. I may take a few courses to learn a few more crafts. I'd love to be able to biuld my own home if I had the time or any idea how. No, if I didn't have to worry about money, I certainly wouldn't become lazy, and I think I'd actually probably do a lot more...
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if fans of star trek are referred to as "trekkies" what are fans of star wars referred to as? "Warries?" |
They're called 'kids'...
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Yes rightwinger.
I guess you missed the fiction part of science fiction.
You speak a lot of nice words while saying nothing but Republican rhetoric.
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Good one
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It was in the Customization section because I screwed up somehow. I reposted it in Misc., where it was totally ignored. Perhaps that's somehow telling, I don't know.
Some of you grasped that this was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek article and some didn't. If that lack of understanding was due to my writing style, I apologize. Those who didn't get it and pointed out my "Republican rhetoric", for example, were likely liberals. I'm not surprised by this, as liberals are notoriously short on the humor thing, so you, of course, wouldn't have gotten it.
I've been a Trek fan for over 30 years, and perfectly grasp the point of the show. The writing is superb, the characters and realtionships complex and well-written, the stories, for the most part, very well-constructed.
I've heard that Star Wars fans are calling themselves "Jedi".
Live Long and Prosper. Keep phasers on stun. Energize!
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I cant remember which show it was on but the question of paying for stuff was addressed. From what i remember it was a benefit tat only members styarfleet enjoyed. All others had to pay.
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