The envelope problem is bad , but whats worse is waiting for the pages to download, and not even being able to get on here. And I am on a cable connection. I can't imagine how bad it is for those on dial up. My watch list can only be seen through the manage your watchlist format, so the envelopes don't matter at all on that point.. The are no envelopes in that format. I was not able to get on the sight for over 3 hours yesterday. Trying to get to the forums, leave a comment or download something takes an act of God. I am sure They are aware of this, and will get it straightened out. They have been working their butts off, I'm sure. I think that we all know now, including them, that the problems are more than just server problems. I will be patient.