Oh my GOD! school administrators are sooooooo dumb!

MadPyro

Join Date 01/2004

Oh my GOD! school administrators are sooooooo dumb!

they freak out when you get into MSDOS/Command prompt

so funny. it started with a net send message to my friend saying "hi"

problem is that we arent supposed to be able to get into drive C: to access the command.com file right? wrong. easy enough to access it using any application out there. MORONS

ok, so i net send a message to my friend... that was yesterday...

today, 6th period, 2 security personelle come in to escort me to the friggin principals office. HA! i need no escort... i walk calmly to the office and sit down to wait.

chat a little with the security morons and find out that this is about MSDOS and me. quickly, i formulate a plan in my mind: bullshit em so much that they wont even know it.

so, finally, the principal calls me in and asks me to sit down, the two security morons on either side of me.

"so, do you know what this is about?"
"well kind of, steve [security moron #1] hinted that its about msdos stuff"
"yes, you see, we have disabled command prompt from these school computers for a reason, so that kids [pauses] cant harm the school's system and somehow, you managed to get into it and did something there..."
"yes?"
"and we feel that this may pose a threat to our system"
"*chuckle*"
"whats so funny?"
"well, you see, two things;
1. command prompt isnt disabled, its hidden in drive C: to which the system doesnt allow access.
2. MSDOS cant do much against xp. all i did was test sending a message to a friend using net send, it worked so i was like sweet!"
"yes and we feel that this can be a threat to us."
"sir, if i wanted to screw up the school system, there are alot easier ways of doing that. and if i wanted to screw it up, i would NOT use my account to do it from"
"hm..."
"see, on windows Xp, you disabled access to drive C:. when i am bored, i screw around... one day, while trying to load objects for lightwave into lightwave, i was forced to find a way to get into drive C:."
"yes...?"*takes notes*
"so, all i did was open lightwave, go file....open....browse... and in the address bar, type "C:". all that did was throw me to "my documents", i found this kind of funny since it should show "drive C: inaccessible" so i hit the "up one level" button and it took me back one level, i hit it a couple more times and Ooo... drive c: bingo! i opened lightwave and objects and i was able to load an object."
"yes? and how does this make you able to open command prompt?"
"same way i opened that i can open command.com... see? go windows/system32/command.com [opens it on hit computer]"
"i see... and how do you do this 'net send'thing?"
"*sigh* [type 'net send maloym test'] see? message arrives saying test"
"i see...."
*scribbles notes*
[i notice security morons leaning to see it too]
****bell rings****
"saved by the bell... can i go catch my bus? you can call me in tomorrow"
"ok, i will call you in around 3rd period"
"ok {[mutter] sheesh...}"

heart pounding, i pick up my backpack and head out the door... i walk by the front desk and notice the secretary staring at me with a dissaproving glance....

-----------to be continued tomorrow after the next debate--------------------

wish me luck, i cant get suspended, im a senior and i need to finish this year...

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accessing a part of a computer that is not supposed to be seen is not the worst crime in the world. Pyro could be out setting flames to buildings. I agree, he should take the next wise step and help the admins. He's a smart kid, so I'm sure he will.
There are much worse things he could be getting into.

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i just drop out and go USAF

"integrity first"
"service before self"
"exellence in all we do"

Based on our United States Air Force Values (see my logo?>>>)
not your cup of tea. Also we don't accept high school dropouts.

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OK guys, seems some people don't remember what being a teen was. Rules are there, and teens test them, see what they can do and try not to get caught. That's what it is to be a teen, and that's how they learn to think for themselves and not turn into adult zombies later. Eventually, teens grow up, play by the rules themselves, but not just because the rules are there but because the rules make sense. Of course it doesn't mean there shouldn't be any consequence if they get caught. Punishment must be applied accordingly, but it doesn't mean they must be treated like criminals. They're kids learning how the world works. Let them do the learning they need to do. Let them break the rules, get caught, get punished and learn. Heck, I'm not even going to start telling the things I did in high school, but I can say that sending a net send in DOS is nothing in comparison.

And I still turned out a normal socially adapted adult.

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at my school the c:/ drive is open to anyone, but cmd.exe is blocked, to solve this: start, run, commande.exe and bingo dos prompt is open... seriously, if you know how to get where you aren't supposed to, you would know how to ruin the computers. There are a hundred other ways you could crash their computers without it being traced to you at all. I agree, he shouldn't have tried to begin with, but if he did nothing, than he had no malicious intent. Just suspending him wouldn't solve their problem at all. Face it, kids do what they shouldn't, and if someone wanted to trash the computers, they could do it rather easily. (eherkiller, flash bios with wrong version, etc.) I had to find a workaround my schools internet filtering policy to access a website while researching the cold war. Should i have done it? No, probably not. Did it save me an hour of researching? It did. I have better things to do during school than needlessly search through useless websites because an educational site for some reason was blocked as pornography. Our IT guys aren't very bright. somone turned on sticky keys to try and be funny, and make noise. And they couldn't figure out what was going on, so they took the keyboard out, and brought a new one. How dumb can an IT guy be?

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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I grew up to be less of a prat thanks to corporal punishment.

Pity it isn't still around.

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lol THANK YOU PAXX! thats what im trying to say! i didnt do anything and everyone thinks i did something bad

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theres a difference between "having the knowledge: to do things to pc's.. and having the self controll needed to not do it..you have not stumbled upon some thing new and unheard of .. many of us just dont feel the need to try to proove our worth...on the other hand this does proove that a little bit of knowledge in the wrong hands can be hazardous ...

its not that your smarter than the schools admins ( i would contend that the smarter one would have not attempted to acess what he knew was forbidden )...but more to the fact that most schools cant afford to pay IT people to upgrade the systems every time theres a flaw found..they rely on the students having Honor ....Honor is knowing the whats rite and whats wrong, then chooseing to do whats rite, even tho it may be unpopular ...most kids think being rebelious is breaking away from the norm... haha thats a laugh.. kids have been rebelious since the beginning of time ... so .. really your not breaking any new ground or doing any thing new ...

been there .. done that.. time to move on...

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Umm... people don't do things to be a 'rebel' and that schools not having the money is a huge stereotype, i go to a public school, and the average salary for teachers is almost 70,000 dollars. The highest administrator is payed more than 500,000. So, our school has plenty of cash to pay the IT guys to know about sticky keys.

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nocoolones, I'm asking people not to judge teens, and I'll ask you the same about teachers. You have no idea what it is to be a teacher. Besides, I seriously doubt the average salary for a teacher in the US is 70,000. It may be the top salary after 20 years but certainly not the average. High school teachers in the US start around 32k, same as here in Canada. And I work over 50 hours a week. It's most definately not the ost paying job around. I recently went back to teaching because I missed it. I love teaching. I was making 15k more/year. Now I'm poorer, I work harder, but I love what I do.

Kids are great, even (or especially?) the ones that keep trying to break the rules.

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The teacher's salary im ny state is public record, there is a website to look it up, the average salary last year was 68,000 dollars. For the most part, they are all very qualified, but some of them are not the smartest in their field. IE the tech guys.

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dang. teacher salary here is around 25,000 to 40,000 tops... hehe darn you would think taht they have some money to pay the IT guys...

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Well, maybe in your school you have mostly a bunch of older teachers with 20 years experience.

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Yeah, theres some old teachers with alot of experience, but even the 1st year teachers are at around 40,000

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On a slightly different note I'm really tired of all the "expletive deleted" paranoid security crap at these schools, not so much talking about the computer, but things like THERE ARE GUARDS IN THE SCHOOL!!

That is because if some little one get hurt, the parents sue the crap out of the school!

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true but thats life. if anyone gets hurt, then it would be the person who assaulted, it would be his or her fault. not the schools

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...wish I still had all the answers like I did when I was a teenager.

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SD, that reminds me of a good one I heard recently:

"Quick, hire a teenager while they still know everything!"

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Offer to help them fix security holes for money, to create a 'perfect' system. Of course, over here in the UK, the security systems are good, but I've found ways around some problems(

). Im sure with a bit more use of the school system Ill be getting to the good files on the system. I had a similar user system on my dads old computer and my brother got past that so easy (dumass program put a link to the program to edit the settings in the start menu of all users! So funny)
They are a little more caultious on the school system tho, but I recon I could get a copy of the protection system and look for loop holes.
Alternativly, I could just get one of my friends in, (You want something broken, hes your man! Owes over £200 (about $350) to the school in damages. mostly 'accidents') and if I could get him on the main school server computer or onto a teachers account then, Bye-Bye system!
Or perhaps I could borrow a disk off my brother that when your computer loads up and loads from a disk, it deletes all the critical system files. it sounds funny.
AND, because all the computers are loaded through a network connection, if I take out one computer, I take them all out.
Ill post to tell people the result of it sometime

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What Duncan2k5 proposes is either malicious or wistful teenage boasting, which might work with your school chums, but not here

and I really think MadPyro is above all that.

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lol

duncan i suggest you dont do that. if one school goes down. all the rest of em beef up security . dont harm any computers in your experimenting. if you want to do that, test it on your computer before you do it elsewhere.

oh and thanks SNK

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Applause for MadPyro

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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true but thats life. if anyone gets hurt, then it would be the person who assaulted, it would be his or her fault. not the schools

Wrong.

Schools, and other institutions have a Duty of Care which makes them culpable.

A parent has a reasonable expectation of protection/safety for their child when inside school grounds....it's what professional indemnity, public liability, etc is all about.

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Fuzzy Logic

Join Date 05/2002

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If only I was young enough to know everything...

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