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MSethWeisberg
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Reply #51 July 21, 2004 8:34:50 AM
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All a matter of who finds the desire to chase their rights.

Personally, someone screwing with me and mine will be fed their gonads on a plate.

This isn't personal opinion....it is personal resolution.

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Reply #52 July 21, 2004 9:40:37 AM
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This isn't personal opinion....it is personal resolution.


ayuh...

Pushing only happens, is fun, or seems to hold return for so long but once to the point of crossing that line there is not anything or anyone to stand in the way.

It all boils down to the price. Not what you will gain but what you are willing to pay.
Personally I think people got that old saying screwed up and in turn confused themselves.

Everything does in fact have a price of exactly what you are willing to pay. Money, mind, body, soul or life, is it worth it.

I think that is why so many out there are so shocked by the actions of some when they claim they acted to extream.

You call the Dance you will pay the money man.

Oh and 99.9% of the people out there are the big Frog in their pond, for them, it is when they step outside their pond that they screw up because they run into exactly whom it is they thought they were.



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Reply #53 July 21, 2004 9:54:06 AM
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Ha, on a side note...

I got in trouble for giving out my address and cell number in #stardock one night to some butt wipe who was coming in from Tampa right across the bay that was talking trash. I was all excited when my phone rang thinking "Cool, just the person I've been looking for to work on a little stress relief" but it turned out to be an OP telling me it was a No No

some people ruin all the fun..



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Reply #54 July 21, 2004 10:19:03 AM
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#16 by Frogboy - 7/20/2004 8:52:27 PM As part of the lawsuit settlement, TGT Soft has agreed to license IconPackager's .iptheme format.However, we don't have to help them dencrypt the format. But they did apparently crack the encryption. So we'll have to decide what to do (if anything) about that.Style XP isn't as popular as it used to be and we believe it's icon features are pretty weak. So I'm not sure how many people would actually use it for that feature.We're open to your feedback though.


all I can say is damn... I really hate having to go to lawyers and stuff, but when you have too, you have too. This sounds like a lawyer thing to me.
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Reply #55 July 21, 2004 4:02:22 PM
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Ok, let me see if I got this right.
They (TGT Soft) found a way to crack the IP format encription. Now their users can make use of the icon packs, BUT!! if their users want to create a pack of their own it has to be under .iptheme format?? So they are going to need IconPackager??
If so, why would anyone pay for a program that needs the purchase of another program to create something to be used by the 1st program when the 2nd program can do it all??
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Reply #56 July 21, 2004 4:34:19 PM
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Good point Apoc
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Reply #57 July 21, 2004 4:48:24 PM
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Apoc: That's why we're not exactly sweating it. We got what we wanted, they licensed the format. It's not the TGT Soft's of the world we worry about. It's the big companies. We can't let people use our formats without our permission or else we lose a heck of a lot of our intellectual property.

As for "0 footprint"

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Reply #58 July 21, 2004 4:57:15 PM
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well, er, there doin pretty good on the "handles" end of things
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Reply #59 July 21, 2004 6:18:45 PM
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Yeh, 41 handles. seems pretty good. But the memory is far higher than zero.
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Reply #60 July 21, 2004 10:57:14 PM
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speaking of the subject, lookee here

http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/mightymouse/

...claims on the front page it can import cursorXP themes from wincustomize... when I make a cursorXP them, I want it used ONLY for cursorXP users, the way I intended it to be


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Reply #61 July 22, 2004 5:34:49 AM
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I think that this will get into another lawsuit, just my opinion though.
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Reply #62 July 22, 2004 6:34:35 AM
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Mighty Mouse is for Mac only.  Since Cursor XP will never be released for Mac, it's not really taking away any competition, but still they shouldn't do licence the format if they want to use it...
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Reply #63 July 22, 2004 10:13:05 AM
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I think its ok that TGT Soft can use IP Themes now, I even created some for them (custom skins in order for TGT Soft).
Style XP is quite good IMHO. I have been running it to try it out and didn't switch back....
It has some futures that WB dasn't offer.
To say that you created an IP theme just for iconpackager so no one else can use it is kind of... well, I just dont feel that way, skinning should be fun and the more people using my skins, the better. If you don't want anyone without a stardock program to use it, then just dont share it. I mean, I just created my wallpapers for windows people so I am going to sue people on a mac that uses my wallpapers. Just dasn't sound right...

No offence, just MHO
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Reply #64 July 22, 2004 10:25:12 AM
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Styl skinner.....I  think you ignore the reality of property rights and copyright.

Your being happy with what they may or may not do with your work is well and good....for you.

Reality is that IP themes were intended for a specific use and distribution, and not to be 'extracted' via an alternate system of dubious legality.

Simple example...you accept on upload [perhaps] that your skins be distributed via the occasional WC CD compilation as a fund-raiser.....then you find your works on a pirate copy there-of sold down the flea-market and not financially benefitting the WC site.

Pissed off or what?

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Reply #65 July 22, 2004 2:33:43 PM
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It has some futures that WB dasn't offer.


What features does stylexp have that WB can't offer?
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Reply #66 July 22, 2004 3:35:50 PM
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Feature.....

Since it uses more resources, it can be helpful in convincing your spouse that you need a faster, bigger, better PC
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Reply #67 July 22, 2004 3:44:03 PM
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And more RAM
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Reply #68 July 23, 2004 4:35:14 AM
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no, it skins some parts of the OS that wb dasn't skin
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Reply #69 July 23, 2004 7:02:12 AM
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Like the command window?

Anyway, I think intellectual property applies to Stardock inthis case if they try to break th encryption, but I'm not sure it applies to individual IP themes.  When you write a document in Word, you don'r really care if somebody else opens it in Word, Open Office or Word Perfect, but Microsoft may be pissed off though that their own format is getting stolen by others. I must admit I have on occasion converted a few Mac icons to use on my PC.  As long as I don't redistribute them,  I don't think there is anything wrong with that.  Cause IP law applies to distribution. If the IP themes gotten here get to be distributed on another site, now that's another story.


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Reply #70 July 23, 2004 7:29:16 AM
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I must admit I have on occasion converted a few Mac icons to use on my PC. As long as I don't redistribute them, I don't think there is anything wrong with that.


That's different in my mind, Mac programs aren't in direct competition with their counterparts on PCs.
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Reply #71 July 23, 2004 8:09:54 AM
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#70 Yes they are, remember mac vs windows... If that isn't competition....
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Reply #72 July 23, 2004 8:40:03 AM
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#70 Yes they are, remember mac vs windows... If that isn't competition....


That is competition, but the software developers for each don't really have to compete with each other. If I were to make an image viewer for Windows, an Apple user who would clearly use a different image viewer isn't exactly tapping into my potential market.
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Reply #73 July 23, 2004 8:42:16 AM
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I see your point... well then lets just sue every software producer that made his program allow you to import .psd files
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Reply #74 July 23, 2004 8:46:23 AM
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I'm pretty sure psd is a public format. As Adobe has went on little crusades before when their Acrobat format was supported by other programs.
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Reply #75 July 23, 2004 10:19:05 AM
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no, it skins some parts of the OS that wb dasn't skin

Can you give us an example? I can't think of anything that isn't skinned by WB. 



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