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I have a dream...

January 27, 2004 2:29:59 PM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums

I have a dream, and that dream is to never make 9x style Icons again. How many people still use 9x or 2000. Time it takes to make sure a entire Iconpack looks good in 256 colors is becomeing more and more of a problem, and for less and less people. What do you think?

The way I figure it, xp style Icons will work on 9x as is, they jsut look all jaggy and have black mess all around them.

And if it is not time to dump 9x style Icons, when will it be? When Longhorn hits everything will be 128x128 Png's on Textured Quads. Do I have to wait untill 2006?

Thought. Anyone want to join me in a campain to wipe 256 color Icons form the face of the earth?

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Reply #1 January 27, 2004 2:57:26 PM
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Paul, you make 'em, I'll use 'em. Orion are still the most used icons on my rig.



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Reply #2 January 27, 2004 3:29:42 PM
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Do what you feel you need to do. If it is too big of a pain, I wouldn't. You'll have less and less people using 98, but you can count on win2k users for a long, long time.

That's immaterial, though. You're an artist, not a salesman, make what you like. Less time spent on stuff you don't wanna do is more time spent on the stuff you are interested in. If you are making nice XP icons exclusively, then you are giving people a reason to ditch the older formats.
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Reply #3 January 27, 2004 3:39:57 PM
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, I aint touching those, I just refuse to make them if someone asks for them (even for customers)
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Reply #4 January 27, 2004 3:40:01 PM
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'campaign', Paul.... Spell checker
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Reply #5 January 27, 2004 3:51:13 PM
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As long as 9x and 2000 are supported people will not bother to upgrade, even though XP has proven to be be the most signifigant and worth while upgrade since 3.1.

The other problem is that many people purchased $300-$500 PC with win 9x and simply can't afford to use the full versions of SD apps or to upgrade their system or OS.

I would have no problem with you dropping the 9x Icons though. I use your older FauxS-X Icons on 200 anyhow...
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Reply #6 January 27, 2004 4:00:00 PM
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You're a great and appreciated computer desktop customizing artist, Mormegil(whew! Got that all out in one sentence.lol.). Do whatever makes you happy. I'm sure we will all be happy with your work on our computers. Thanks.
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Reply #7 January 27, 2004 4:09:30 PM
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i have a dream, and that dream is so that all skins are rated equally.

i have a dream that the skins here will be rated not by their creators but by the content and their quality.


im sorry, i just had to put that on even though i am not whinning about skin ratings, it was just funny.
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Reply #8 January 27, 2004 5:19:58 PM
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The issue with upgrading to XP for me isn't one of XP's quality, it is win2k's quality. If the upgrade were free, or even cheap, I probably would, but I can't equate the cost of the upgrade with the modest benefit I would receive.

MS always says that their biggest competition is their last release, and it is true. I think they hold back a lot of innovation because they will need to wow people only 2 or 3 years in the future. That strategy is hurting them I think. More substantial upgrades every 5 years would be more to their benefit. They should have learned that with ME.
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Reply #9 January 27, 2004 5:30:14 PM
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i have a dream that ME will be wiped from the face of the earth, and i'll never have to go to jersey and troubleshoot friend's and families' computers again.
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Reply #10 January 27, 2004 5:30:16 PM
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Xp is not a huge upgrade if you have 2000, but for 9x I cant imagan any reason, other then Hardware not to upgrade to XP.
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Reply #11 January 27, 2004 5:31:41 PM
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mormegil, if you feel that you've become a slave to your icons, drop em. leave em to rot. free your mind and work in millions of colors. do what makes you happy. thats art.
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Reply #12 January 27, 2004 5:32:24 PM
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thats art.


but i'm a constructivist so don't listen to me anyway.
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Reply #13 January 27, 2004 5:37:22 PM
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Paul...the hardware issue/limitation still means I have more '98 boxes running here than XP ones.

I always think it a waste to consider trashing a P200 with 64 meg of EDO just because it won't handle XP....it runs 98 Se just fine...

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Reply #14 January 27, 2004 6:06:24 PM
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Also laptops ...I think people have a tendency to hang on to them longer, not upgrade the internals and when the thing is DOA....Get a new one. I still see a lot of laptops with win9x on them
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Reply #15 January 27, 2004 6:50:28 PM
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RE: jafo's #13. Hear, hear.
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Reply #16 January 27, 2004 7:57:25 PM
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If people can't live with today, leave them in yesterday.... Um, what day is it?
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Reply #17 January 27, 2004 11:00:42 PM
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I say forget 98...it dosnt lend itself to skinning attractively anyway.XP is the current standard and at least it trys to look good.When those old pc's wont do anything but surf and check email...they will come along and join the present.
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Reply #18 January 28, 2004 4:41:05 AM
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I would drop 9x and 2k icons seriously. There are still enough 9x icon packages to use if one looks arround a bit.



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Reply #19 January 28, 2004 7:43:02 AM
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huh? i thought you considered yourself as at least semi-professional iconist. 256 colored icons is where the big bucks are made. do cellphones ring a bell?
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Reply #20 January 28, 2004 8:00:25 AM
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I think Win2k supports true color icons but not transparency. So if I were you I'd drop the 256 colors icons, but if you have XP icons using transparency, I'd still make sure to include a version without the said transparency.  Also, there are some people using XP that disable transparency on their icons for performance reasons.
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Reply #21 January 28, 2004 12:16:15 PM
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#9 by Citizen DesignCaddy - 1/27/2004 5:30:14 PM i have a dream that ME will be wiped from the face of the earth, and i'll never have to go to jersey and troubleshoot friend's and families' computers again.


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