Your probably tired of hearing this ,but dump 9x,I'm sooooooo happy to be rid of it.I had the misfortune of using a poorly maintained win 98 PC thanksgiving,...yikes! what a piece of dooky!

You're all so kind ... but latest WB4 versions where supposed to worked with Win98... and they didn't ... at all ...

Anyway, if someone want's to offer me two or three XP pro PC's with all stuff needed within, i'd like to be pleased ...
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Wal-mart sell a PC now that is twice as fast as mine with a 17 inch monitor and speakers for 500 bucks...I think its a compaq tho...

Scribe Frogboy - You should probably report this then and be more specific than saying "It doesn't work well."As far as we can tell, WindowBlinds 4.2 works fine on Windows 98/ME. Our mind reading powers, unfortunately, are incomplete.

Oooouuuupppsss, i was at least almost completly specific on the WindowBlinds newsgroup with a lot of details ... and still waiting for responses ...

What is very painful, is each time I point on a bug program (upon Win98) is in first time, every one from Stardock is telling i'm a fool or whatelse my system is not working well (specially draphic card driver, when you can't say anything else ...), and after working on it really, (example with IconDevelopper, and SkinStudio...) it works !!!!

So i'm not attacking Stardock Compangny too much, but i just think i'm probably one of the latest beta tester upon Win98, and the main developpers of each progs should know about it ...

neophil: It's not like the faults you complained about for Skinstudio or IconDeveloper (can't remember which) were easy things to fix. The fact is that Windows 98 doesn't have the capacity for the resources it was using. The eventual 'fix' as I understand it was to rewrite and optimise it so it didn't use as many resources on 9x (this was unnecessary on any other OS). The things you complain about in WindowBlinds are not things that can be fixed as easily or possibly even at all. Other people don't report them. They all point to a fault with a leaky app. I believe Neil has said so himself. Just because it's possible to fix one thing one way it doesn't mean all things can be fixed the same way. Have you tried disabling all other apps before loading WB? Then seen if the resources go down? And I mean all other apps. Bare bones. Systemtray and explorer and WB.

neophil78, don't feel bad. I haven't got WB4 to work on XP. Everytime I install it, my display properties page is totally disabled. No one here has yet to come up with a workaround or a fix for it.

The Last time I had it on Win98SE, yes I still have it, It worked pretty well and I only had 256 Mb of Ram....

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here's what i posted on WindowBlinds newsgoup :

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Well, i had already the latest NVIDIA drivers for WIN9x (45.23), but
never the less, i tried to uninstall everything (i mean Wb, *.WB4 and
*.WBD files, reboot, Drivers + a deep cleaning of drivers trails with a
NVIDIA advanced cleaner, reboot, re-instal drivers , reboot, reinstall
WB4.1X and so on with different version of drivers : V 45.23, V 30.82
which is the one recommended by manufacturer, and finally 23.11 which i
the latest fine one running without nview ..) So here are the results :

_ Drivers 45.23_ :
WB4.1X not loaded on Startup gives 97% free GDI resource and 70 % free
User resource / loading WB4.1X decrease GDI to free 33% and User to free
33 % (without doing anything else, Wb loading on startup or later ...)
/ using PC then a little decrease again GDI to free 15 % and User to
free 15 % too

WB 3.51 not loaded on Startup gives also 97 % free GDI resource and 70 %
free User resource / loading WB 3.51 decrease GDI to free 94% and User
to free 62% / using PC a little decrease again GDI to free 90% and User
to free 60%.

_Results are *EXACTLY* the same with both other drivers versions !!!!_
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Anyway, if you tell that WB4 won't work fine with Win98 2nd, don't tell it will ... (but i'm fairly sure it would ...)


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neophil: Sorry. I'll try to explain in easier language.

Something which is running when you start your computer may be losing resources when WindowBlinds skins it or interacts with it. To make sure disable every application from starting except windows explorer (for the taskbar and system tray) and Windowblinds. Then check your resources to see if the problem is still there.

neophil78, Neil took some extra time this Saturday and dug even deeper into the 9x version. We did find some extra GDI usage that should help things for initially loading, but the USER resource issue I'm reasonably certain is not WB. Esp. as you're down to 70% before even loading WB.

That is odd. You are sure you have button skinning enabled?

Also, are there any skins that the buttons are working fine on? Maybe we can compare the two.

Frogboy, of course i'm sure ... button skinning is enabled
But it's not a new problem with WB4.x, even the first beta one gave the same trouble. As i re-installed 3.51 i'm not sure off which skins are going well, but i'll reinstall 4.20.016 and i tell u (as far as i can remember oxidglass is going right ... and some others of course ...)

like windows 95 i think that microsoft dont make any updates for anymore is pretty ancient, 98 is next in line if they choose to,

actually they still make updates for 98 and ME.

Yep i think it may be also .tga's issue, as for running skins well (specially with ObjectBar 'Using WB skin' i've to convert all .tga's to .bmp