Well I certainly did not expect all this just asking about Opera..lol..As was suggested to me earlier, to try a beta version, so I dl'd Opera 7.20 beta 11 and it works like a charm,pages here are rendered correctly, my apologies, however as pictoratus stated, alot of sites don't take in to account that not everyone uses IE or wants to. I believe that the internet should be open to all, no matter how you connect or what you view it with.Is that askin too much?And I don't care what browser you use, OPERA is the best..hehe

oh and that text box jumping thing and underlineing the text also happens in Netscape... of course.

the only time I use regular old explorer is because of the Google Toolbar functions.

What is ident and how do I do it in mozilla firebird?

Not sure about firebird, but in Opera you set the browser to be identified as IE, MZ, NS when a site requests the browser type in the settings.

dosnt seem to be an option for that

For Firebird you need to download an extension called UserAgent that will allow you to spoof what browser you are using.

Ah joetheblow, perhaps the older version of WB along with Win98 excludes Mozilla. I'm using 4.1 on XP so guess that is why mine is skinned.

nope, still messed up.
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