Aleatoric has a point. Translation is done by interpreting a text and retelling what you think it said or means. Trouble strikes when the translations start to get a life of their own.

So your English bible is really an interpretation of several interpretations of primarily Jewish sources (which get some of their stuff elsewhere, but that's another story).

Why is it that the idea of God only came about when Man came about? Isn't this proof enough that we created him? Why didn't God leave any signs that he was here millions of years ago? He was supposedly building this planet for 6 days or 5 days, and then created us? Well how long did it take him to make the rest of the universe? We are but a speck floating in darkness.

Aleatoric, interesting the difference you make between "kill" and "murder". But, I ask you, what IS the difference between "killing" and "murdering"?
According to the Mariam-Webster it goes as follow:
Kill: to deprive one of life.
Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

So it seems that the difference between those two word lies in the "law". "Murder" is a crime, it's unlawfull. While "Kill" is more general. In other words, to "murder" is to kill under conditions forbidden by law.  But when we talk about God's words, what IS the law? God does not go by man's laws. So what ARE God's laws about murder? Especially when put in context, where God gave his Ten Commendments, those WERE the law. The very base of what was to be Jewish Law. How then could God be refering to a concept that requires a prior legal definition? Catch 22?

Why is it that the idea of God only came about when Man came about?

Not sure about that one
Who would have had the idea BEFORE man came about?

I saw a few common arguments, such as the lack of evidence supporting the "Biblical" history and the one about "interpretation vs. translation". The body of supporting evidence
is enormous. But a few simple observations. One book, written over the course of millenia, by many different authors, still maintaining a common theme and surviving intact for some 2,000 years, despite attempts to eradicate it from the face of the earth, and containing foreknowledge of future events and even scientific knowledge that was not known to the men of its time.

Anyway, "the big picture", or topic of this thread wasnt about the bible, but evolution vs creation. I pose this question... Can a watch evolve? A car? A device containing hundreds or even thousands of moving parts coming together by chance. Take apart a watch and toss the pieces into a bucket and shake it around for as long as you like, shake it forever if you can. Those pieces will never fall into place to form a working timepiece. How much larger and more intricate our universe is. Our own bodies. We are amazingly designed. Did you ever stop to think about your own eyes, what goes into the "simple" act of sight and recognition. Your hands. Your senses. Every design requires a designer. A skinner should realize that better than anyone

What an astounding string of coincidences that allow the matter in an "empty" universe to explode, and the force of this "bang" to form planets and stars. Think of the incredible engines that are stars. And for one planet to form and come to rest at just the right distance from one such perfectly balanced star, not too hot, not too cold. Spinning at just the right speed. The atmosphere and all the life within it, sprang out of chance circumstance and "evolved" the delicate cycles that exist and perpetuate the cosmos. Our world and the life within it is , our universe is, a perpetual motion machine. The engineer who designed it knew his craft. From the tiniest single celled organisms to the massive stars burning all around us.

Man , I hope I didnt sound grandiose. But thats my "take" on the subject.

cya

Don't get me started on the mormons and "adding on to the bible"...

The Dead Sea scrolls have nothing to do you the Mormon..........  They were no Mormon living in the Middle East during the life time of Jesus. 

wise guys everywhere... hehe

actually the one I like the bestest is that we have fossils to test our faith? (I dunno me is tired it's somewhere in this thread and I ain't looking for it)

Kona other Religions that are different from yours are not occults they are merely other humans like you searching for the answer... nothing more nothing less

Doreen goes searching for my bed early tonight.

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@ Jafo - he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy

boring? Why it isn't as if we knew everything we would stop killing each other wholesale for various ignorant reasons..



But if it was known, it might force people to accept their actions as their own and not have something else to blame, or it might cause them to stop in fear of pissing something larger than life or death off.

Oh and one more thing. To people that think that the World is so perefct, so it MUST have been made by a higher being. This reminds me of a part in Voltaire's "Candide" where there is this guy, a "metaphysicist" (what they called then a philosopher), who is just so amased that everything is so perfect. He gives as an example how just amasing it is that glasses fit just perfect on your face. Had we had no nose to hold the glasses on, they would have been impossible to wear!!  Very funny. But anyway, back on topic. The World we live in may be complex, but it certainly isn't perfect. We find it so because that's what we're used to. And yes, it is complex, because it's taken billions of years of shaping.

Take billions of years of accidents. The bad accidents disapear, the good accidents live on and proceates. BILLIONS of years. Little things here and there. And yes, eventually to come up to somehing that is quite complex and quite well adapted for survival in our environment.