Yellowstone is just a huge caldera. It's only a matter of time before it blows. It is estimated an eruption of Yellowstone would leave somewhere as far away as New York under 3M of ash

Get yer brollies out

Evolution is the cement mixer God is the technichan. [Jafo?]

you have to convince some of the people here first that there is a God. they want proof. I need none of course.

I need no proof of God because I believe in God.

papidon,

The computer (watch, etc.) analogy is flawed. While many of the background forces (radiation, etc.) are random, the interrelationships between atoms and molecules have an affinity for certain combinations. Given enough time, that affinity, moderated by the random forces, can increase complexity (Jafo's random computer assembling robots ).

Frogboy,

That is an excellent argument for our need to eventually colonize other planets (even if we have to shape them or live in domes). Sooner or later, something will do severe damage to a portion of this planet (or even all of it). If we don't grow outward, we will surely die.

Kona,

As a scientist who does believe in God, I think it's possible to have both evolution *and* God. There is no fundamental conflict there. The wonders of our universe and our ability to learn to understand them speak volumes for the glory of God.

Unfortunately, we have no way to colonize other planets.

Despite what some people say, we can't go to Mars until we invent "shields" to keep up from getting zapped by interstellar radiation.

Bryson is great btw.

There is only growth, or death. (I prefer growth

Look where growth has gotten us thus far. Due to growth in our so-called knowledge, we made machines which in turn led to a change of events to cause global warming, holes in the ozone, polluted waters, nuclear spills, etc. It reminds of a scene from a movie, 'The Time Machine', the newest one, just came out on DVD not too long ago. Well anyway he travels to the year 2056 or something like that and see's we have now colonized the Moon. Well long story short, we screw up the Moons orbit and it starts to crash into earth. Now as physically/scientifically inconceivable that is, the point remains...growth at what expense?

YellowStone has been buldging for a while now and it is really noticed along the lake shores where the water has run beyond the lake and into the surrounding woods. At first they thought it might be springs over flowing the lake, then after investigating they found the whole park is buldging pretty much, just waiting to go POP... Like Mt Saint Helens all over again, but with enough force and resulting earth quakes and ash to pretty much screw this country up and much of Canada...

The Atlantic and Pacific Conveyors will shut off making it so the warm water flow from the equator which also brings warm air with it will not be there anymore. Then people in the Amazon can all learn how to ride Taboggins...

The Yucatan Peninsula is thought to have been dug out by an impact that caused mass extinction and also might have caused a Magnetic Shift reversing poles for a time. Traces that support such a claim have been dug out of sea side cliffs in the Balatic sea area and a few other places. Also traces of radioactive particals found around the globe have been traced back to that specific impact.
Yep a really big rock could mooph just about if not all of us...

There are many things as you say that can and will happen eventually.

Did you know there is a island off of Africa which has a fault line running down the middle of it. If someone where to place a small payload in this fault in the correct area the resulting mass sliding into the ocean would cause a Tasunomi(spelling) that would reach would shoot out towards this side of the Atlantic at 600 - 700 mph, when it reached our shores it would swell up to 600 feet high and carry 50 miles and up inland? Florida would be washed away pretty much and it would change the whole of the USA's eastern coast line.

We spend too much money on new and enhanced ways to kill...

Also, water is a natural source of shielding for use in conjunction with other materials. It also could be built into the reclaimation process for any colonies in space. As far as traveling on ship goes, we would probably have to send out robotics, remote-bot's(mobies) and intelligent ships to do the building of a colony with some human techs. Then send colonists after a couple years so that they reach the intended colony after some sort of base camp was in place and in time to do some real humping on building the rest of the living space and such. They could scavenge the ships as needed, heck the ships could bedesigned with that thought in mind, with modular design. Say the Medical area was not self contained on the ship but could be converted to be so with ease...

anyway...

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na, just thinking with my fingers about Frogboys post.

Which I should have quoted, which is a total duh on my part...

Seems we have like interests in some things...


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will agree that there will be some parts/components that Are going to come together as they should be; however the chances of *all* the necessary parts coming together in the *correct combinations* so that all you would need to do is turn the power on, is so astronomical as to be '0'. Another example, if you were to find a house sitting in the middle of the Sahara Desert, complete with working water, gas, and electric utilities, a fully stockedrefrigerator and closet; and were told that the owner piled the materials there, came back later, and there stood the completed house. What would you think of his mental stability? Now, I am not impliying that one who believes in evolution is crazy, i'm only pointing out the unliklihood of our existence coming about in that way.

It is possible to get order out of chaos under certain conditions, most important of which is that there's a net flow of energy in & out of the system being examined i.e it's NOT a closed system. A classic example is weather formations like tornados, cyclones etc. Witness the red spot on Jupiter. Biological entities are also open systems that use up energy in order to 'complexify' themselves.

One proof is pregnancy. The body will destroy any foreign body within it. Yet, a fetus, which is not completely the mom, nor completely the dad, will not only survive but thrive. I think that's excellent proof of God's existanece

I'm sorry but that's a pretty undisciplined interpretation of 'proof' How would the species succeed if it's immune system attacked it's foetus? By definition, only those where this *DIDN'T* occur would succeed.

One proof is pregnancy. The body will destroy any foreign body within it. Yet, a fetus, which is not completely the mom, nor completely the dad, will not only survive but thrive. I think that's excellent proof of God's existanece

Sorry, but the answer to that lies in blood groups. There are organ transplants you know. And blood transfusion. The body will indeed reject any other body unless it has a compatible blood group. And the faetus first uses his mom's blood, then eventually his own, which always is compatible with his mother's (genetics).

To come back to Kona's question about gendres, I'd like to remind you that not every species on earth have the same reproductive system as us.  Reproduction is usually well adapted to the species, and that's how it survives. That's evolution. What works best for a plant or animal is how it manages to survive. Those who's reproductive methods were not adapted, eventually gor extinct, and that's why they're not around anymore. What you see today is the result of millions, billions of years of trial and errors. Before animals and plants that we see today, there were many many many that never made it, and that we'll never know.

If God made every species on earth, why didn't he make them all reproduce the same way?

Even the Pope accepts that the theories of evolution have validity

Also, serious students of theology do not seem to be perturbed by scientific findings. This goes all the way back to Thomas Aquinas in the 14th? 15th? century.

Is it possible that Mount Rushmore was merely carved by erosion of wind over time? Obviously not. You can clearly see that it was Created.....