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Freedom of opnion vs. copyright in the Netherlands.

September 10, 2003 5:26:54 AM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums
A few years ago someone quoted "copyrighted" work of Scientology on the net in the Netherlands. After 8 years there is a verdict and the freedom of opnion won.

Interesting in this case is that ISPs cannot be hold responsible for the contents of a web site. They just provide the medium, not the contents. Also a hyperlink which points to material that infringes upon a copyright is now ruled not to be the responsibility of the ISPs.

http://www.xs4all.nl/uk/news/overview/scientology3.html

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Reply #1 September 10, 2003 5:33:14 AM
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BTW: XS4All (one of the providers in the case) has applied for "Highest number of postponements of a civil law suit" in the Guiness book of records. The judgement in the Scientology case has been postponed for 9 times. Guinness found the application too specific to be incorporated into the book.

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Reply #2 September 10, 2003 6:22:37 AM
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Dutch documents are available at http://www.xs4all.nl/nieuws/overzicht/scientology3.html .

This case was very much an international case. Afterall parties came from the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK and the USA. However I doubt if it will have any impact on countries outside the Netherlands. (And it also helps if you can read a bit of German).

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Reply #3 September 10, 2003 6:56:21 AM
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The Alien Cult got a bite out of it here in Clearwater over court costs on the Macpherson case.

There will not be any criminal charges from what it looks like but they are going to get popped hard in the Civil Suit whic I hope drains every last penny out of their coffers.





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Reply #4 September 10, 2003 7:20:31 AM
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Maybe they will have to sell all the real estate they have acquired, as I have watched them buy up Clearwater for the last 25 years. It would be nice to have the city back.



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Reply #5 September 10, 2003 9:04:25 AM
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Well, the Scientology case was not primarily about fighting a cult. The emphasis was on freedom of opnion, protection of users and the role of ISPs in web site content and hyperlinks.
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Reply #6 September 10, 2003 10:15:26 AM
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argh! Matt! I cannot read dutchje (me must learn more then mazzel)
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Reply #7 September 10, 2003 10:17:50 AM
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very good doreen, mazzel is a start

dutch is easy.... really
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Reply #8 September 10, 2003 10:33:48 AM
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well if there was one lingo I would "try" to learn it would be dutch cuz I like the way it "looks" though I've never heard it hehe
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Reply #9 September 10, 2003 11:03:00 AM
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The case in short: years ago certain "top secret" Scientology documents were put online. Scientology went after the ones putting it online, forcing them to take it down. In response a Dutch writer/journalist/whatever put the documents up on her site. Ofcourse, Scientology was not pleased and the big sue-campaign began. Later, she replaced the actual works with quotes (something that might have had an impact on the final verdict).
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Reply #10 September 10, 2003 11:06:31 AM
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Or, that's what I made of it.
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Reply #11 September 10, 2003 11:12:03 AM
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well then you definetely summed that book up in 50 words or less! hehe
btw what does een mean?
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Reply #12 September 10, 2003 11:13:58 AM
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nevermind I just got in trouble (took them one day to get pissed at me.
Doreen gets to work *sigh*
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Reply #13 September 10, 2003 12:56:19 PM
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Doreen, you could have read the english version. First link.
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Reply #14 September 10, 2003 5:45:56 PM
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hehe Matt! how did I miss that?

a. the lil .gif globe image did not load next to link
b. I need to change my contacts
c. I'm tired
d. me stupid

e. all of the above? hehe

Thanks sorry I really did not notice that first link
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Reply #15 September 11, 2003 12:46:33 AM
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Option 'e', definitely. Anyhow, 'een' means 'one' or 'a', depending on the context.
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Reply #16 September 11, 2003 6:19:12 AM
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hehe dutchy well maybe more (d) most the time
anyways, thank you for explaining that, everyone calls me Dor in rl and everytime I see your lingo I see "door and een" all over the place, can I bug you for what "door" means? last translation, I don't trust the online translators they come back w/ false stuff.
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Reply #17 September 11, 2003 6:28:17 AM
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by? does it mean "by" hehe
sorry but I'm curious everytime I see your lingo I see my name all over it... hehe!
depending what online translator I try I get diff stuff but by is coming up?
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Reply #18 September 11, 2003 2:00:47 PM
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Correct, 'door' means '(done) by', but also 'through'.

'gemaakt door mij' - made by me
'loop door de deur' - walk through the door

Seems we're hijacking Mad's thread here.
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Reply #19 September 11, 2003 2:18:36 PM
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yes (sorry Matt)

just was curious since those words seem to be used alot such as "the" and "and" in English and those two always jump out at me! hehe
(Thank you dutchy)
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Reply #20 September 11, 2003 3:07:20 PM
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basis gramatica craeonics (basic grammer)
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Reply #21 September 11, 2003 4:13:02 PM
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Seems we're hijacking Mad's thread here.

Don't worry about it. Nobody here is interested in the freedom of opinion, unless the USA is involved. At least Doreen had some fun.
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