i prolly shouldnt tread into this thread but ive been watching pretty closely, and all i have to say is that people are over reacting horribly, Brad is trying to set things straight and clear this mess out. I support him. But to lengths this is dragging on is just silly, Stardock doesnt have some grip on this site, its a community not a business controled site. I dont want to see the site split over such issues, to tell u the truth what are the issues, except for some people disagreeing with others points of view. Which in some places is called having originality.

Im happy to be apart of this community whether i disagree or not.

I could shed some light on the Adni situation, but it isn't my, or anyones place except Nikos.
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Being a valued contributor does not necessitate a portfolio of works, skins or otherwise, but rather an on-going interest and involvement with the community[s] as a whole

Let's not get into that again. I came to my senses regarding that a long time ago. I know that socializing on message boards is indeed making a contribution.

I'm not going to go into specifics regarding adni, but anyone who's been around here for any length of time knows that he had several issues with the way this site is run. I know that from reading here and from interaction with nikos.

So maybe, just maybe the reason why peple liek Green Armoni and Lady Ashaka had such a rough time of it was their behavior towards others. Such as their various in your face posts about how great other sites were compared to WC or their double standards or their melodramatic attitude.

I dunno why they reacted the way they did. Maybe they thought it was accpetable to act that way based on seeing other peoples hostile, in your face behavior around here.

Now being that there's a link to my DA page, you'd have to expect me to say somethin' didn't ya?

First and foremost, yes I do owe Frogboy/Brad an apology, it was indeed childish on my part. I was extremely angry that night, and I said that which I knew better than to do. But in addition to Frogboy, I also owe Green Armani an apology and I hope he accepts it, because I called Brad a name on his page, and that wasn't fair of me. Brad, in that respect yes, I do owe you an apology I shouldn't have called you that, it was indeed chidish.

Now the 'gangs' thing, I'm sorry that's hilarious. Gangs, eh? First of all, I also feel bad for poor Apocalypse, because in all fairness he shouldn't be branded because I ran my mouth. That isn't fair to him, I've never seen Apocalypse be anything other than a gentleman, and kind to ANYONE. And most of you who've known him darn well know that A_67 is very nice! > Be fair, you know that's true! Don't keep dragging his or Armani's name into what I've said.

Brad/Frogboy, on my page at Da you eluded to the fact that I am pretty good at name calling and insulting, very well...you had right to be peeved over me calling you Frogbutt. Again I repeat yeah that was childish to say that in anger. We've all said and done things in anger we're not that proud of. Furthermore you eluded to me being the type to, oh forget it, I'll just quote you verbatim: "And when you refer to "friendly" supportive community atmospheres, what you really seem to mean are atmospheres where everyone agrees with you and sends insults and flames towards those who disagree with you." Now, that is not quite so true! If I had been REPEATEDLY on these boards 'flaming' then I could understand such a statement. HOWEVER that is NOT the truth. Have I really been 'flaming' made before? NOPE? I've always tried to be nice, and for the most part (we all have slipped) I've been perty darn nice to everyone, I think. So labeling me as such, as a personality/character type because of this thread, with NO other priors resembling is a bit extreme! I am not denying that I got 'flaming' angry. Indeed I did!
And YOU Brad instigated it! I was going to post too like many other did, with intent on voicing my opinion but after reading your post, wich was UTTERLY RUDE and UNETHICAL!
Quote: "Are we clear: We don't care if you guys submit wallpapers. Feel free to never ever submit anothre wallpaper ever again." So tell me what kind of reaction do you think your going to get from someone that makes wallpapers and is working towards being a skinner, but currently only does walls??? What do you think they are going to feel like? On my page you said you didn't insult anyone you just stated you don't care for walls. Was that how it really went down, I think not! And I'm rude???? What about YOU? Yes, I WAS DAMN RUDE! In attack by YOUR UTTERLY RUDE Statement!!! Stating you don't care for walls is one thing, but that is not quite what you did. And it's funny you are labeling me....well what about you? Can't you say things nicely? I can understand had you said, "You know...this darn wall section is a constant problem. Personally, I don't care for the section,and it's squabbles make me want to chuck it, but we need to figure something out here" a flaming blowout could have been avoided. Could I have chosen my words better. YES! I was mad as hell, and I went with that, but could you have chosen your words better? YES YES YES! Taking my stuff is childish? What would someone who makes walls do, after reading your post?????? For someone who exclusively makes walls for the time being, that has some dignity? I took my walls and got full blown angry because of YOU the way YOU expressed yourself. And I know that some of you read that too, and thought "Ouch...that's harsh!" And Fuzzy Logic was right there to make another harsh statement about wallpaper makers later on, amongst others! There was fuel to fuel on ALL sides!

I am NOT a person that considers myself, this 'artiste' that is so good or full of myself AT ALL! Again those that know me know I'm very humbled for the most part. Anyone that's emailed me for help or anything I've glady done it! Made tutorials for people, offered my scenes, whatever.I've never been full blown mean ever before, not like this! I'm just trying to learn and get good, so there's not "I'm such an arrrrteeessst, ego here, got it! I HAVE NOT been a constant problem around here and starting trouble every other day. So there isn't a long history with me being a rebel rouser or whatever you want to call it! Those that know me, know I am actually a very nice person! Sometimes a bit naive, but I'm not all that bad! You want my to not be a hypocrit, and be fair,honest, and talk about my behaviour. At least I can see where I falter, and even apologize if it calls for it!

I NEVER thought the admins are servants or whatever you said, and I understand it was due to my poor analogy, which I tried to clarify and say that isn't what I meant!There are admins that should be commended for, Boxxi and Jafo for instance! But you talk about my childishness there is plenty of it on these boards without ME! The constant picking,making fun, and the manner in which those not within the 'clique' is awful!Be fair at least! It can't possibly be all me! Starting with Mad Ice, for one there are others--then the little followers jump right in and the next thing, someone is being made a joke of or their question/statement whatever the case was. NO I was never the brunt of a joke, but I've read them and sat here thinking, "What do they get out of this. This is just horrible!" For someone to get full blown mad, there had to be something there? Someone that DOES NOT have a long history of getting flaming angry on these boards! Which I DO NOT!

Again, I will apologize for the frogbutt comment. I have no qualms with doing so, I was wrong there. I have no qualms admitting I blundered my analogy the other day too, I NEVER thought the admins to be servants or anything of the like. Their volunteered time is comendable. But it is also a responsibility they chose to take on, let's remember that too, and when taking such a responsiblity they should also be the example setters!
Some are, but some ARE NOT! You said I'm a hypocrit...maybe in this past weekend I've been one, but at least be fair...YOU are too!

I'm not going to go into specifics regarding adni, but anyone who's been around here for any length of time knows that he had several issues with the way this site is run. I know that from reading here and from interaction with nikos.

But that doesn't make him right and us wrong.  That was my point. The larger a site, the higher the odds are that a contributing member will take a break or leave or whatever.

I dunno why they reacted the way they did. Maybe they thought it was accpetable to act that way based on seeing other peoples hostile, in your face behavior around here.

I think you would agree that the behavior here by most regulars is fairly mature relative to the average message board on the net.  I'm a moderator at Neowin and hang out on a lot of message board. This play is quite soft and cuddly relative to the average forum site.

Go onto moo3.com, for instance, and make a post telling how great GalCiv is and how much better it is and see how long it takes to get fried. I would say people were pretty restrained here.

David madly back-pedals furiously to avoid the icy wrath of an irate China....

Good luck, my friend....might I suggest maintaining a tight grip upon your short and curlies before they are....no more.....

Lady A, Stop taking stuff to heart. Come-on, put your pretty wallpapers back up here. You know you wanna


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mistakes have been made, people have been peeved, people have apologized, i say its time we move on, no need dragging on an argument that will never have an answer for it has no questions to be answered

About my long typing... I'm a writer as well what do you expect? Plus we 'artiste's' are quite passionate. This time will be quick as Akasha needs beauty sleep

I 'get' your point on the DA post I made... why did I do that? What did fuzzy logic (I think that's whats who it was) say? Quite eager to add that fuel! That was pure fuel on a burning fire! I was LIVID! And again, I stress my past behavior is my only backup--it's not like I rant on here all the time or anything of the like! It actually takes A LOT to get me this angry! I have shown 'respect' for most of my stay here, and I think if people want to be fair, they will agree to that. I've never been the leader, or follower of rants. For the most part, I have more often than not been respectful.

But there are issues that are constant. Just like you said there is a pattern with artists, and their leaving on a post this weekend. Well like you all follow our
patterns, folks follow the patterns around here too. Meaning, everyone I've talked to has the SAME darn gripes, the SAME things that make them packup and leave and throw fits. It's not just one or two people. Well, you guys want less headache...MOST folks that I've talked want the same things...so if there's the same pattern repeatedly in what people are 'flaming' about why not change some things? Change=Change. Now don't jump down my throat for that, I'm just saying nicely...

I think it's fair to say that for the most part everyone wanted the same things but few want tolisten, but everyone wants to be heard! Your wall section, you WILL continue to have problems over it, unless something drastic is changed and you know that. NO RULES, or whoever it was made a darn good suggestion. It would be less headaches for your mods as well. Let the people decide. Let the walls up, if it doesn't get a minimum of 1000 downloads (or whatever) in a months time, down it goes! Your headache is solved.

Indeed it is easy for things to be taken wrong and expressed online. I agree with you.
The point you made again this evening regarding walls, I get what youre saying, but that isn't how you put the other night hon, sorry. It came out really rude! Tonight, it didn't.

Anyway...I'm pooped and I forgot where I was going with it.

Goodnight.

Apocalypse67 was one good guy, but now I dunno what to think...

mOrphium... He still is a good guy. You can't make judgements on a single thing, especially something as heated as this. For all people keep an open mind and don't judge. Everyone has bad moments.

#41 by e-bros - 7/28/2003 10:11:34 PM they feel a certain inherent right to complain more than if they hadn't purchased anything. Wellllll, hells bells this might be all well and good but "the customer is NOT always right"

It is a simple hierarchy equation. As a subordinate you have to take a customers abuse unless a boss says there is a problem the customer is always right. On the other hand if someone in charge of a company is getting treated very badly by a customer, things change, someone in a position of authority cannot look weak or willing to take abuse…

It may sound negative but employees are gauging every potential weakness that any boss may have and in the future would exploit any weakness. So someone in charge has to remain with an air of authority because people are gauging and scrutinizing everything he does. A person in charge relies on his subordinates to handle the people that are ball breakers, it usually rolls downhill.