Thank you for the suggestion, tried installing the Windows Codecs for my build and got an error message saynig that it wasn't for my computer.  It's a work computer with a corporate image, there may be something there I don't know about.  I have admin rights to run and install applications, but not total control of the OS.  Thank you again.  Was looking forward to dreamscapes, just have to settle with fences and groupy.  super helpful tools.

you know I don't know if it's my software, I have a continuing problem where my drivers go bad, I get an error when I plug in the thunderbolt and that says using microsoft basic drivers.  It has NVIDIA Quatro M1200 and Intel Graphics HD630.  Only way I can get it to work is uninstall each driver, do scan for changes and then they kind of work for a while until they don't.  It's annoying.

I read something on a solidworks forum where the two different drivers compete for 3D, I tried the order of installs and everything.  just annoying and probably screwing up everything with this software too.