There is some very strange things going on around here lately.

I don't think the update date will change if the skin has been on the site for less than 10 days.

If its less than the number of days (I think 10) it is treated as the origional.

MikeB314,
I know you've made windowblinds but, you probably never had to update until a new version of WB comes out. And like I said, I have skins where the update date is four days after the original upload date. For example, my Corona skin. I'm beginning to wonder if someone is having personal problems and taking it out on the skinners. If they don't like you personally, for some reason, they take it out on your work? Bloody Mozart!!

#7 by Mr ChasUGC - 5/27/2003 12:31:59 PM ...I'm beginning to wonder if someone is having personal problems and taking it out on the skinners.

There is absolutely no need for such an insult. Dumb and unneccessary. Do You know how much effort goes into keeping such a site as this going ? We know there was a server breakdown, so some things may still be wacky. Some people really get me upset and that is very hard with me...

There's no "hokey-pokey"  going on........... Jafo went through the same thing recently. He updated a WinAmp skin a few days after he uploaded, and it didn't appear in the Updated Skins list. T-Man informed him, skins updated within 10 days of the original upload, did not appear in the list.

people run this site... machines run this site... they both make mistakes, it's not a big deal.

There are still slitches from the server problems we were having.

However, the most likely cause for the date not changing is if you tried to update less than 10 days after it was originally published.  It has been this way for a very long time.

EEK!

Chas, after I got a reasonable, logical explanation for what was going on here I felt fine (the worst thing for me was wondering if someone was somehow cheating my downloads for me which was even more upsetting than thinking I got purposely dissed by WC or something) which apparently (thank goodness) neither one of those things was true. I do understand how it feels sometimes when you're in the dark about something and you don't get a straight answer and your imagination takes over from there. After all, plenty of us here must have some pretty good imaginations to come up with the stuff we do so it goes without saying that that very imagination can also crop up in other places whether we want it to or not. I was more confused than suspicious but I was notably upset and I shoulda kept my cake-hole shut and just asked one of the Admins rather than taking it to the streets er…boards I mean.

Was Shmoopy right? Was Shmoopy wrong? Nope. Shmoopy was just confused over a lack of explanations as to what was going on behind the scenes to rectify the ‘injustices’ that perhaps have been going on here for a long time and WC was finally trying to find a way to stabilize the site and make it equitable for all artists concerned. No conspiracy theories, no purposeful unfairness but just people working behind the scenes here to try and make things a little more fair. There will be flaws in the updated system too and helpful input when bad patches show up will help everyone including the people here trying their best to make things better and fairer for everyone. If nobody mentions when things foul-up or glitch then how can things get better?

Oh, and Chas, I've had updates not show in the update section and I always chalked it up to the fact that the updates were rather swift (within days) and it would have seemed silly for the website to include my stuff in the updates section when it was still new anyway.

As far as it being viewed as so trifle and petty for people to be so ‘concerned’ about “Top Authors”, “Updates” or “Top Downloads” etc. might I remind those people that if it was no ‘biggy’ to EVERYONE here including WINCUSTOMIZE then WC wouldn’t be working to change the system in the first place to experiment and to make it more ‘fair’ for all. BUT, just as people find it unfair when people DO cheat and I’m sure it has been a real pain for WC to try and deal fairly with this sort of behavior from people…then we must also respect people who also have questions and concerns over fairness and that this is not because we’re greedy and petty and trifling but because we honestly want FAIRNESS just as most ANY human being does. I don’t think this is a grievous thing to want or need. Sure, I could have handled it in a much more rational way but I was so shocked that I handled it quite poorly (something I regret but have learned from).

Frankly, I don’t want art made by someone without emotions and feelings and likewise I don’t want to visit or even be a part of a website community that has no heart…and I think this site has heart and [I think] intrinsically it is in the right place but I don’t think that every person who gets a bit upset or feels the need to say something that is bothering them should instantly be pegged as a “melodrama queen” or the latest “whipping boy” unless the emotions and feelings expressed by that individual are observably false and put on only for an ‘end-effect’ which I don’t see many genuine members doing, and the emotional displays I have witnessed from time to time came from people/members whom were honestly upset and or feeling hurt over something they perceive as an injustice or a confusion etc. Kicking people when they are down does not resolve anything…it just adds further insult to injury…a reasonable explanation will heal a wound faster than 20 members doing a football tackle on one member for speaking on their own behalf over something they feel passionately about.

Now Chas, I'm in enough trouble over my 'poo-baby' thread so please...no using my name in thread headers without consulting with moi.

Life is what we make it and I'm makin' some brownies!

I’d give a group hug but with this Sars thing…

Shmoopy,
I apologize for using your name in the thread. But, it just felt the same to me. I didn't mean to include you in the possible backlash. I can take it myself. But, you too got a lot of backlash when you explained your problem and frustration with the system/server. And, I too got personal attacks/backlash when I sought to explain my problem and, I chose to address those who want to deal out backlash/personal insults. I didn't like the way they treated you and I was preparing for them. Let those people come forth and let the community say if it is appropiate to insult members when they want to address certain problems. Let the community decide if caring is the way or personal attacks are the way to address concerns. These people don't make it any easier sorting through the problems to fix them. In fact, it just builds frustration and anger for all involved.

Clearly, we have emotions in our work. If we were to leave out the emotions the work would suffer terribly. So, if there are problems, and because of the personal attacks which always seem to happen here, we are going to wonder if those people who continue to issue personal attacks are the ones behind the problems.

Those people need not comment. They are not helping anything or anyone. Of course their intention is to make others look bad. And, we feel it when we try to address the problems and we get naturally defensive when we get the personal attacks.

Maybe we need a server problem thread or some sort of site troubleshooting section. And maybe only those people who work with the server(I.E. Site Moderators) should comment. And, hopefully there would be no need for personal attacks or suggestions that they are treating others unfairly.

? Oh for goodness' sake, you drag terrorism and martyrdom into this because you publicly jumped to conclusions about someone screwing you out of your bleeping downloads and now yow wear a red nose? Please.

Look, if you have a question why not first find out what the heck is going on before engaging in public spectacle and speculation? (Same for those many others whose first move is to bleat publicly here about injustice when they haven't bothered to first try to ascertain the actual facts.)

Have a question about site operations? Email a site op, admin, mod, whatever and get an answer first rather than engage in unfounded public speculation and paranoia. Then if there really is something that should be brought to others' attention in a public manner, here's the venue and you'll have a case based on fact rather than paranoid hysteria. Better than pulling a Chicken Little.

Or do you really think it's better to just yell "fire" in a crowded theater because you think you saw someone flic a bic (or was it a small flashlight) when in fact no fire was actually set?

ChasUGC...I'll correct one little error in your post and all this strangely will look like a load of inflamatory crap, intelligent or not.

So, the ten day limitation isn't correct.  [post #19]

This is a relatively recent response to the serial updater/s who abused the system to pathetically remain in the top authors' list as long as possible.

It's part of the implimentation that sees any and all 'updates' go through moderation where in the past Journeymen, etc could auto-bypass that.

Example?...when I was doing my Trapped In Bryceworld wall...it was [intentionally] updated often as it got worse and worse and remained on the new/recent list way longer than it really should.

Now? I do a winamp update a few days after upping the original and it goes into the 'waiting approval' queue and I gotta go in and approve it, but when I do it disappears off the recent list and doesn't show at all.  The system is NOW in place that a 'recent' update needs to be 10 days newer than its previous incarnation for it to show in that list as a new update.

I find the necessity for this damn annoying, particularly when my WA skin was a GENUINE and SIGNIFICANT update as it now supported a much later WA version, requiring additional skins to be created.  I also see the necessity for the restriction as I saw its abuse.....I mean, exactly how often do you need to update a wallpaper?....what...it has a bug and might crash your system?...

Dragging Shmoopy into a topic heading was a bit unfair, particularly if there is no connection with her original thread and this.

Conspiracy theories and immagination.....what fun we 'really' want to have....but sorry, there's nothing like that at all...just the silent whisper of black helicopters...

Also, I've apologized to Shmoopy so leave her out of it. I'm so tired of this. Point your black helicopters at me and do your will. That will teach people a lot about this site and the way it treats artists. I'm done submitting stuff to this site. I'm tired of the personal attacks. I'm tired of the people who submit no skins and slam other peoples work. I'm tired of people slamming others for having a different point of view. This isn't the type of community that I want to belong to, so have your fun with it. INSULT PEOPLE, RIP THEM APART, YOU DON"T HAVE TO THREATEN ME ANYMORE, I"M OUT OF HERE...(ChasUGC exits forever silent and non-creative)HAPPY??!! NO MORE COMPETITION FROM ME(PERIOD)