You mean 'French'

The walls are looked at differently as everyone has their own taste for what is good and what is well lets just say...the opposite. My stand point is from someone who has submitted their fair share of images and seen the qualtiy of work go down. I don't think that's wrong in saying....I mean, we are all artists great and small aren't we? I don't think an observation on the quality of work IMHO is bad, if we can't take criticsm why be put ourselves in a poisition to be criticised. I for one would rather get an honest opinion rather then having my feelings spared.

This is going to sound very unlike me, but....frankly, I'm getting really sick of the whining about the wallpaper library.

People whine because their stuff isn't accepted.  They whine because all the walls look the same.  They whine because they think there is junk in the library.  They whine because they think that the moderation is too strict.  They whine because they think that the moderation is too tight.

It's "damned if you do, damned if you don't".

If you don't like stuff in the library, don't download it.

KarmaGirl goes off to go buy some cheese.....

Complaining/commenting on a drop in standards of recent wall approvals IS 'insulting' those whose works have been accepted recently....

The problem is that when viewing works as a whole you eventually see a shift in styles and usually an improvement in an established author's works.

GA...feel free to [privately] list for me the works considered below par accepted of late, and I'll respond with a list of established authors' earlier works which would be moderated now, in light of their subsequent improvement in later works, including some of yours.

KarmaGirl is right...we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

We are either too restrictive [bastards rejected my wall] or now too liberal...[bastards let anything in].

Make up your mind, please!

I thought I'd covered things in my first posts here...

Well Jafo, I understand that it may be upsetting but I mean...people could totally blast walls which wouldn't help anyone, but if we can not express the quality of work in the walls then what is the point of the ratings? What is the point of commenting on a wall? Are we only able to say positive things? Should we always say good job even if we know it needs work. I just feel because the moderators accepted them, that doesn't mean we can't have a different point of view. You know how many times I've wanted to say a constructive comment because I saw an image that I felt could have been done better for what ever reason.....I decided not to because the way things are here, you almost can't with out being called rude, mean, insulting. I mean come on......none of us are perfect at this.....why shouldn't we let each other know what we really feel as long we do it constructively......

Ah well, french was never my best language... (my english isn't that good too... )

Jafo hopes one day to understand this html thingie...

I'm out of here..........................hope to see y`all done the road

there goes another one

Personally I would scrap the whole wallpaper section in a second. It just causes too many fallings out. I fully expect the wallpaper artists to jump down my throat but I am past caring. I suspect it won't make any difference saying this and I may alienate some people but I know that I have to say this.

The wallpaper section for me always should have been about a place to upload a wall that goes with a specific skin. Not as a free for all. There are plenty of other sites which serve that purpose.

The advantages of not having the same wallpaper section would be:

1. Less bandwidth would be used. Generally walls are bigger than skins.

2. Less time spent critiquing walls and more time approving skins. Skins submitted get approved faster.

3. No reason for people to bicker on the messageboard about the moderators judgements on a wallpaper. Don't worry, people would find something else to bicker about anyway.

4. More enjoyment for those reading the messageboard.

The disadvantages:

1. Some artists may well leave because of it which would be a real shame.

2. Some artists who produce skins and walls may well leave which would be more of a shame.
(Yes I class those who produce skins as more important to me. I don't use walls unless they are exceptional and only then just so I can admire the image). I do use skins and as they are what will eventually make Stardock money that is a benefit to me as a subscriber. I want to see Stardock able to produce the things I dream about.

3. People will have to find something else to bicker about.

I have always been pleased with the wallpaper section here at WC.
I believe it should remain to help complement the great skins being made.

I am unable to comprehend all the fuss that is being made over it, except that there seems to be a few who "thrive" on nothing more than praise and numbers, and if they have their way, will ruin it for the rest of us.

I get a lot of enjoyment looking at the wallpapers, using the ones I like, bringing them into my home because I can see the real people behind them by the art they make. I like to watch an artist develop such as has DarkMist. I remember his first and how he tried so hard until he found a way through the creation process giving us some real nice stuff to enjoy, while the process continues.

Too much emphisis is being placed on "Top Download" and "Top Authors'. If this is the only way some people have of measuring their own or anothers worth, then maybe they need to find someplace else to go, because I believe Wincustomize is built upon the worth of people behind the art.

It is not the art, but the artist that makes this site valuable, deny the artist whether a skinner or a wallpaper maker a place for expression, and WC will deny itself a place.

oH boy.

I didn't get a chance to download his walls!!



(hey, that is the first time I used that emoticon in a while)


I do critical words on skins and wall and screenshots, and other stuff. I try to be constructive with it and not put the person down.

I also try to explain why I like something too; but most of the time I just say well done or Good Work (or Great Work).

I think the problem is:

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not knowing when to change the mood of the conversation on the board and knowing when to stop or take it to email or IM


Not knowing how to be critical of something. it is a technique to it.

Also there is a pointing fingers of blame as to the downward fall of the board, but many can be blamed for that (even me ) and its not just the visitors or the admin.. a little more of both.



Also keep in mind that things go in cycles. There will be days where stuff gets through, there will be days where it doesn't. The message board also will go through cycles.


The real question is, are you going to help and change, or leave and let something you like self destruct?

If there is help needed as moderators, or you think they need help, then try to do so and contact them.


If there is a need to open an issue and discuss it, open it in a way that will hopefully spark ideas and constructive opinions. If someone post something 'wierdo' then try to help by streering the convo back to its origins.


The first place to change the enviornment is to change yourself.

no I mean help the moderators moderate walls. (once you reach a certain level of time on wincusto)


Anyway, for some reference to what admins go through as to why they sometimes come off grumpy:

http://www.razorart.com


If its still up.