One of mine worked in the DVD drive

http://news.com.com/2009-1023-273619.html

Good point wise one

oh yes... I think I've heard about these new markers you speak of now that you mention it
interesting article, too, thanks for the help

(leave it to jafo to ruin the fun )

aww.. I was just kidding jafo, what would we be without you?

and yeah I don't think I'm going to risk anything that might end up damaging the product in the end.

Sure, there're always ways to get around it. Read up on patching your Hardware. Read up on it though, and make sure you know what you're doing. If you break the drive in any way while patching it, the warrantly on it voids.

Oh, and if you're asking Jafo on "can I talk about it by side-stepping?" The answer is no. It should be written big, bold, and black on the site somewhere so people can see, but it's not, so...

Don't bring controversial topics here by yourself. You'll get the prep talk.

Just Think about it, where would these music decision makers (you know the ones that put this protection on them) be if it wasn't for us people buying their cd's, they wouldn't be in bussiness. I have in the past bought upward of 30 music cd's a year, I'm very much into music of any kind and I feel that's a lot of money in their pocket. granted not enough to keep the industry afloat but a lot. Well this year I got my self a good sound card, a couple monster patch cords to tap into my stereo system and when I hear a song I like, I call the radio station make a request to hear it played (most times they love to play requests)and record it off the radio and at that point it's digital, any way my point is this if we the little people boycotted the music industry and not buy their CD's they would rethink their stratagy real fast.

Jafo,
You are 100% correct and I understand what you are saying, and as a moraly and legaly abiding human being I agree, I purchase software to be used by me on equipment I am the only user of and would not think of stealing anyones livelyhood, this goes for any industry and their offsprings including the music industry. I do belive that if I buy a music cd, that if I want to play it in my stereo system or play it on my computer solely for my enjoyment or use upto and including backups for archival use (old music disapears after awhile and you can't get them any more) so ripping to save as archival use in my opinion should be ok. I understand there are pirates out there but If the music industry wants to stop transmittle of ripped music over the internet get with some of the master programers out there and come up with a filter inbedded in the tracks that would transfer over to a ripped mp3 file to prevent it from being transfered over the internet. I hope you guys don't think I'm some kinda hack or putting anyone group or person down as I'm not trying to do that and am sorry if it sounds like that. As you know, locks and copy protection are only for honest people anyway. if theres a lock or block theres a hacker out there that will overcome it, and sadly we pay in the long run. Let me get off my soap box now and say see ya and thanks for listening to me ramble.
Roger

Roger....it's a common occurrence...the recording of radio....and I think is generally ignored in itself. Any subsequent distribution or broadcast of the recording would not be, though, as that is the same as the Internet distribution of ripped MP3 files....

Elfie...that is a hopeless argument. One way or another, the artist 'agrees' with the amount he gets...via contract.
With MP3 'distribution' online the artist gets absolutely ZIP.

Not only that but most copy protection formats used reduce the quality of the music which in turn has forced Sony and Phillips the owners of the Compact Disc patent to refuse music publishers to emblazen their discs with the CD logo.
Seeing that the music that can not be ripped will not make it on the air at our stations that also will hurt the artists.

here here! thats using your noggin!

The only way to prevent ripping of the tracks, would be to make them unplayable on equipment that can rip (computers, some stereos, etc...) Tool's Lateralus won't even go from my stereo to my minidisc player because of a protection scheme (anti-optical output)

But...

preventing playback on certain equipment is a bad PR issue for labels, so it's a f___ed if you do, f___ed if you don't.

My opinion is that I own the CD, I get to listen to it my way... mp3, minidics, tape, etc... I supported the artist, now I could go for some support... btw, for peopel who need help getting support, feel free to contact me...