Really?? I am really interested in Math... especailly when it goes into theory. Not interested enough to find out anything but interested non the less.

Maybe I should say a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.... as long as it is in the same state of matter.


Duid you know when gases get super heated it turns into plasma? Wouldn't that be the 4th state of matter?

Bangkokboy: when I was a kid, I wanted to have a lion as a pet.

In your example, your child opinion happened to be correct with today's standards. But I'm sure there were other things you thought were right, that actually weren't - here and now, that is. Maybe you thought that drawing on the wall was cool? Maybe you didn't understand what was wrong with steeling a chocolate bar from the store? Maybe you thought it was OK to punch your friend in the face?
Anyway, growing up is about shaping your beliefs. You develop your own, then you get influenced (tought) by your family and friends. And TV and books.

Carl Joung, a 19th century phychanalyst, said that everybody is both good and bad. That you learn to alienate the evil in you, but that it's always there. Sometimes it comes out in your dreamsn, sometimes in comes out when you do drugs or alcohol. Sometimes people just crack up and let all the evil in them out. We call them psycopaths or nuts. But the fact is, what an evil person is, or a psychopath, is simply that he#she doesn't behave the way he is expected to behave in his society/world. That's it.

Do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that everything goes. That there is no such thing as good or bad. Of course there is such a thing. But what I am saying is that very concept changes in time and in places.

Some people believe that eating pork is evil. Some people believe that dancing is an act of the Devil. Some people believe that novels corrupt your mind and is also evil for that. Some people believe that women showing their face in public is evil.

What is REALLY good or bad? the answer is simple: what YOU beleive is. But understand and respect that the guy on the other of the globe may also think that something else is good or evil. And that too is REAL.

Exactly what I wanted to say Paxx. But I couldn't have put it so well.

paxx - i agree for the most part with what you're saying, and i'm not debating any points. i do think that what we're taught mixes with what we are by nature, and what we're taught doesn't always win. i guess i'd like to believe that when we evaluate alternatives seeking the best, what others told us is not the only tool in the toolbox.

oh and good read paxx. And I also understand what you mean IPlural. I think some acts of a child are really just acts of a child (painting on a wall, taking a piece of yummy chocolate). One time I iron the floor to see if I could get the rinkals out of it. I also did it to see what would happen. After I did it I know I was wrong and in trouble. ALLOT of trouble.

While both paxx and Iplural can make very good arguing point to either side for my action as a child but fundimentally my actions mostly had to do with the want of knowledge and to see what would happen. Was it bad to iron the floor? Was it good?

I think the key here is knowledge and the want of it or the lack of it that can turn something into a bad or good thing. Accumulated knowledge makes it some what easier to determain what is Good or Evil.
I do belive that ultimately totally knowledge will lean very much on the side of Good.

It isn't easy to judge at all. Bush can say he is on the side of Good. There are some who say he is misguided on how to achieve that "Good".

I am sure (as much as a human can be sure of anything) that he believe he is right. I am sure that he is going about it in the wrong way, but that is my belief.

I am also sure that if he is wrong, then thier will be allot of people in this world who will be able to fix it.


Its funny because the main reason why I thought of this thread was because of the ongoing attitudes of current events and the obsesive use of the word Evil. I never heard it so much. Of course the other side says they are on the side of Good. Any body, including me, who feels they are totally right about something says that they are on the good side as some sign of legitimacy.


I guess also, what I am really wondering is that whether someone belives in the divine or not, is it possible that Good and Evil plays a role in our lives and deaths. Is it faith or an acuualt element of the Universe? If someone says nothing happens after you die I could say "Yes, you body decomposes. Many parts of you are recyled by many organizims; back into the Earth. As a part of the cycle of the Universe of which is basically difined as Good and Evil



I was watching this sci-fi and there was this "enememy" that used human bodies as energy for it to servive. It was found out later thatit has been doing it for centuries going from planet to planet in many dimentions. It could be killed or posisoned but it would take allot of effert and seemingly most sociaties found out to late what it was that could stop them. We humanbings called it Evil for all the distruction and fear it caused.

All it is was a creature with obvious inteligence who needed food to survive. It tended to be wasteful but finding ways to be effiecnt. Does this creature sound familiar? I guess you would say it is on the top of the food chain...


My point exactly paxx, Good and Evil is not very easy to judge. I think as humans we don't do to well at it. Lets hope our leaders do better and lets really hope there is someone to fix it if they are wrong.

oohhh Iplural is in trouble for saying she has black native american hair!! I find you guilty. I am very sure of it and since I am on the side of good, you must be very bad.

joetheblow hurls missiles at Iplural

Besides God is obviously a woman with blonde straight hair.(Who wears a toga and sandles)

I think I am going to complicate matters further! Honestly, my intention isn't to be difficult. Can I bring in the question of "fate" or "destiny"? If we do good or evil, are we destined to do just that: good or evil? I think that we can choose either way. If we are able to choose, perhaps we may not be able to change the world, but couldn't we make a difference? I don't think that events occur at a random pace. Like the theory of evolution. If we are in state of evolving, shouldn't we evolve into something, something better?

well i think destiny exists but not in the form most people know it to be. I think there are only a finite set of choices that you can have in any given moment. While there is a possible million billion options, in a sence it is destiny that you can not go outside of those choices.

There are so many options that there is a 'illusion' of freedom but the freedom is cantained in the options (million billion) you have ate that moment.

Inate objects can be used either way, Good of evil, it is mosty up to the user. She can believe the intentions are good or bad for that matter, but in the end it is what it is. The question really is can we as humans figure out if it is Good or evil. I think we can with practice but we will most likely never be perfect at it.



Lets think about the statement that many leaders as well as normal citezens say:

God is on my side.
Really? How do you know this?
Wouldn't God be on the side of all of his children? And if so then is it possible, while she disagrees with many acrions, also be on the side of your enemy?

What does good being on your 'side' mean?

mickboni: evolution doesn't mean "better" or "gooder". According to the theory, it only means that the fittest survive. The fittest can very well be worse or more evil.

ok, I will bite, we are all EVIL.
Its funny, we are the only speecie that takes care of their own extingsion.