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SuSE 8.0 & KDE 3.1

February 16, 2003 1:06:43 PM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums
Yup - I haven't been around for a day or so - silly me, I decided to upgrade from KDE 3.0.4 to KDE 3.1 on my SuSE install...

What a nightmare! I've come to the conclusion that not only do I -despise- kpackage (SuSE's own software manager doesn't allow installing from any non-NFS locations) but in the future, anything with -devel on the end, no matter how obscure, is getting installed at installation. Gah!
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Reply #1 February 16, 2003 1:56:59 PM
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I have been struggling with things like this myself. I have used Suse 8.0 w/KDE 3.0, and came to the conclusion that this upgrade wasn't as necessary as I thought. Someday I will figure it out, but in the meantime, any installs I do are done with either the Manager, or with a shell.
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Reply #2 February 16, 2003 2:01:57 PM
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Yeah - SuSE's software manager only has 3.0.4 so far - even though they offer 3.1 on their website (Ha! But kpackage won't read from their site - for that you have to go through the kde.org site.)

The list of package dependencies is just ridiculous for 3.1 compared to 3.0.4 - at least for the SuSE RPMs.

In the end though - was it all worth the upgrade? I'm really thinking... no. It doesn't seem to have been. The only major differences I've noticed so far have been in the eye-candy department. keramik's nice - but you can use that with 3.0 just fine too. Bah!
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Reply #3 February 16, 2003 2:08:20 PM
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I think I read in one of the Linux mags the very thing you just said. I spent the whole of last summer in Suse, and found it "as is" about all I needed. I do try to keep abreast of any really useful stuff, but yes, after wading through alot of it, there really isn't much there unless your really into development.
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Reply #4 February 16, 2003 2:43:15 PM
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Yeah - in order for KDE 3.1 to install I had to go through and install about a dozen other development packages of which I have /utterly/ no use for.

Ah well - fortunately, I don't do a whole lost of customization in Linux, and I install from the DVD - so I can simply reinstall in about the same amount of time it would take me to remove the KDE 3.1 packages and reinstall the KDE 3.0 ones, if I wanted.
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Reply #5 February 16, 2003 2:54:24 PM
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Don't hit me for this but what is KDE and SuSE?

Weaksid thinks to hisself, I should already know this. Then kicks his own @$$

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Reply #6 February 16, 2003 3:09:26 PM
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Suse is a Linux operating system that runs on PCs as a dual boot to your existing Windows OS or as standalone.
KDE is a gui desktop interface that runs inside Suse linux, as also Gnome and all the X systems.

I use Suse 8.0 Professional.
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Reply #7 February 16, 2003 3:26:40 PM
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Awwww, I C , that's the reason I don't know. I haven't touched Linux yet. I will when I go for my web development classes. Hopefully very soon.

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Reply #8 February 16, 2003 3:32:45 PM
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SuSE Linux is open scource which loosley means free. You can download it freely, but I chose to purchase the distribution at all places, a bookstore. It came in a box with 3 manuals, A CD Folder that contained 7CD's and a DVD with all 7 CD's on it. This is much more convenient.
There are numerous programs included on just about anything imaginable.
It is a OS that allows you to define it instead of the other way around, meaning you can get in it and get your hands dirty.
I find it fascinating to play with, and even began to learn "skinning" there.
The whole box cost $68.00 + tax
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Reply #9 February 16, 2003 4:17:27 PM
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Yup, SuSE 8.0 is what I'm running as well - though I had to pay a bit more, ≈$80 for Professional. Well worth the money though - since Pro's the one that comes with the DVD which makes installation MUCH quicker - and much easier as well.

Sorry Sid, I just had the need to vent about the sheer idiocy I had to go through to update KDE, and then the utter lack of returns I wound up getting out of the deal.

It was even more of a pain than trying to get nVidia's X driver to work on my laptop. (How was I supposed to know that I had to disable EDID, something I hadn't even heard of, in order to run at my native 1024x768 res? )
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Reply #10 February 16, 2003 7:09:09 PM
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One thing that I have found helpful, was to quit using YAST2 when getting online updates. I found and switched over to using fou4s - http://fou4s.gaugusch.at/

It's basically the same thing, just more lightweight since it runs from the command line.

How is KDE 3.1? I have been thinking of updating so that I could try the 'new' Liquid theme from Mosfet. I absolutely love that theme.
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Reply #11 February 18, 2003 10:03:37 AM
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"How is KDE 3.1? I have been thinking of updating so that I could try the 'new' Liquid theme from Mosfet. I absolutely love that theme"

(Not to revive a dead thread - I just now noticed this comment )

How is KDE 3.1? Well, let's just say I'm glad I'm on cable - because quite frankly, for me, it was a waste of download time. I think at least Konquerer got updated (but it was already a good browser, IMHO!)

Most of the differences I've seen have been in the eye-candy department, and little else. Doesn't seem to run all that more quickly, or even more slowly. There's no huge noteworthy changes that I saw. There isn't even a large difference in load-times, though the new splash screen is nicer.

The default icons are better looking. *chuckles* They're by Carlitus, if I remember. The main reason I switched was because I liked the Keramik look - but enh, that one works just fine in my previous 3.0.4 too!
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Reply #12 February 18, 2003 10:32:25 AM
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I use Gnome on Red Hat Linux 8.0 and I love it.
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Reply #13 February 18, 2003 11:36:26 AM
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Ick.

Don't like Gnome. (And that's all I have to say about it. It's the whole 'personal preferences' thing again.)
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Reply #14 February 18, 2003 1:25:02 PM
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Probabl a configuration thing but when I loaded KDE on my system, the fonts and the icons weren't antialiased. I went Yuk! and loaded Gnome back immediately.
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Reply #15 February 18, 2003 1:46:05 PM
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KDE still a graphical resource anchor?

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Reply #16 February 18, 2003 1:52:41 PM
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If I remember correctly - antialiasing is a toggleable option in KDE - just where is the option? Don't remember offhand, in Windows ATM.

Windows or at least Object Dock (or something!) needs to support SVG icons. *sighs*
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Reply #17 February 18, 2003 3:10:39 PM
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SVG wiould be fantastic for sure.... across the board, ah, screen

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