And incidentally, I have family that are serving in the airforce in the gulf presently.

Frogboy, the problem is that there is no "War that will end all wars".
If Iraq is defeated today, 15 years from now the greater nuclear thread and ennemy of mankind may be Korea, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, or maybe even the US itself.

I hope this will stay between the US and Iraq. The cause of WW1 was more trivial than this is.

The Rated PG had to see if his name title changed.

Touché Brad!!!

Never forget, the real war and the real enemy is the one we cannot see, what we see are the results of it.

sig101, told yo I wished I had seen the hearings, thanks for the correct update.

An update to message #84.

Saddam believes he sees like most blind tyrants wielding power they do not control and this is what makes them so dangerous. But I wonder about our President, he says he sees, but the proverbial sounding bell doesn't seem to ring true either and this is why the America public as a whole is having such a hard time deciding, why war with Iraq?

I agree with Frogboy on this one. No, I don't like some things about the president, but I think he is doing a good job. Just like Frogboy said for those of us that have children, we want to take care of this now so that our children can live in a better and more peaceful world.

This may sound mean and I'm very sorry if this offends anyone:(, but I think the Iraqies are getting what they deserve. They have been after our country for a very long time. We should have took care of this a long time ago and we wouldn't be having the problems we are today. That's just my opinion though.

First off the state of the union address sounded like he was trying to sell his ideals to himself. It was real close to the same speech he gave not to long ago to the people of Chicago. And any one that has to have some one write up a speech for you and then for you to have to practice it for 2 weeks sounds just like an actor telling people what they want to hear and giving a good show. Maybe we should reward them with an Oscar for best actor. And any one that can site up there on capital hill and stuff there faces at social functions and dinners that consist of a menu of veal, duck, caviar (by the way its nasty tastes like salt with a freshly pulled out of the water raw fish) etc. knowing damm well that there are people out there men, women, and CHILDREN that are starving has the morals of a greedy tyrant. And lets not forget how its clamed “We take care of our own!” I’m not going to list all proven facts of the way our government has so called taken care of our own, but just to name one my wife was in the army worked hard to go thru basic training and did well to rise up in rank she was even taken charge of the ASP (ammunitions supply) the person in charge of supplying our troops with ammo and because she had the miss fortune of being raped they showed her how they take care of here by not giving her the therapy she needed for this transgression but then decided she should be shipped to Korea and under some one that was doing her job here. Not too long after she arrived at her post in Korea she was ordered to drive a forklift she told them she had not been thru training yet and they still told her to dive it she then asked to speak with the next level of the food chain then she was told if she didn’t get on there and drive it she would take an article 15 (dishonorable discharge for those that don’t know) now as fate would have it, one thing led to another and it tipped over and landed on her leg. After a long 45 minuets of waiting for some one to find her and the hydraulic fluid leaking into her leg and after them dropping it on her a few times after they did manage to check on her instead of sending a chopper to pick her up they sent and ambulance and because of the terrain from the ammo depot to the hospital they flipped the ambulance. One of the medics said that they had better media vac her to sole but the hospital said no they could take care of it. Needless to say after she got there they realized there was no possible way for then to care for here so she had to wait for 6 days till they shipped her to sole. In the mean time the gang green set in and day by day it crawled up her leg eating at the flesh and muscle tissue. A week later waiting for them to get a flight to ship her to Hawaii they ended up amputating her leg above the knee. At the ripe old age of 21 a women with her whole life in front of her has now been destroyed in her mind. Now the fellow that ordered her to drive it got a rise in rank so they could post him some were else and because our government takes care of there own they were going to have her take the yearly pt test to qualify to stay in the military knowing damm well that she could not do it. Lucky for her she had a friend that knew some one that could help her. She was discharged the next day. Yep there right we do take care of our own we use them till they’re no good to us any more and push them under the rug.

So after much thought and few prayers to God I decided to take that offer you gave babypooh “but how would you like the whole country resting on your shoulders? You can't please everyone, I would like to see you try to do what he does on a daily basis” So I’m going to run in 2008 not because I’m a greedy political tyrant but because I have a love for this country and I give a shit about the people that live here and what happens to them. I mean look take for instance Huntington WV. They have spent 25 million dollars not 2.5 but 25 million $’s on snow removal and the winter is not over. I picked 106 cities the same size or bigger not all the cities in America but just 106 that were the same size or bigger that is an average of $2,650,000,000 per year of the tax payers money. What if I told you I can take that from billions of $’s to thousands. I know in the first 2 years of office I can save the taxpayers billions of $’s just in snow removal alone not in 2020 but now. I have the blue prints to prove it I drew them up now I’m making them in 3D. Not to mention all the other things I would do in office. I spent 5 years of my life doing to research and putting together a plan to restructure foster care (being a foster child myself and being forgotten and left on the street) and to help the homeless get a home and a job. I flew to Minneapolis, Minnesota and paid the $500.oo to get into the door to see President Clinton and give it to him. I told him what I had done and how much time I spent doing all the work and what it was he gave it to the person to his left and said some thing in his ear and shook my hand and told me thanks for your hard work and your interest. I watch the fellow dump 5 years of my life in the garbage can in the hall. But in taken your offer babypooh I also urge people from all over America to take the people out of the senate and put people in that are not rich greedy political people who really do care for this great nation and want to help take our system apart and put it back together the way the constitution was written the first time around. This by no means is all I would do there is so much to be done if your interested in a list of things I would do then let me know either e-mail me or post it here. I would of put it here but this is getting way too long to post on the message board.

The Rated PG: no offense intended, but the AF guys I've known in the past, pilots, academy, that sort of thing, didn't quite regard those who went into the ANG on the same level. They made the distinction.

And now those many of those in the reserves and NG are on active duty. Whenever there's something going on in the world a guy in the reserves I know at work disappears. He's involved in communications which I suspect involves intelligence matters. I don't ask, he doesn't tell.

AF, ANG, NG? GH GB JH YU VD SW QO?

Sorry, paxx. The decryptions aren't particularly exciting...Air Force, Air National Guard, National Guard.

OMG JAFO

werewolf crawls back into bed and pulls the covers *way* up