When did you become Best Irelia On The Team?  Bryff says hi.  He's got a lot of experience with her and plays her with a high win % in Ranked SoloQ.

Your Liss is solid though.  That's going to be a great option for the team at times IMO.

Edit:  And in my opinion Vi > J4 now.

hi

anyone have a swan update? didn't get to play with him tonight sadly.  just curious if he'll be on more, etc.

i was playing at school... since my internet at home up to this point has been on average about 3kbs

I am hoping to be on more... however, at school i have a time limit... the campus closes at 10pm central time... so i can play until a game would start around 9 or later... but i've just been missing you guys so much.  i hope to be on more often.  sorry you missed out pacov, but you we had 5 before you got online... hopefully soon though.

but a big laugh to the last time i played before tonight was like december 20th.

Bryff is still on the roster and he still plays League.  If you guys are super desperate to have an Irelia player I'd say it would be worthwhile to reach out and see if he wants to get some games in.

glad to hear it, swan.

I'm curious as to how much of a hit j4 actually took on the last nerf (also... these patch change nerfs seem really... not thought out and half assed). My perception is still tier 1 top pick - it takes a bit for the hive mind to adapt.  I mean, it sounds pretty strong w/ regard to his jungle clears and even with the armor, he felt squishy early/mid if you miss an engage... but beyond that, the utility in his kit and ease of use still makes me think he's top tier/must pick ban.  Could be vi is stronger as a result though (and in some tiers - gold I think), she has a higher win rate than j4 last 2 days (diff of .4% or so - going on memory as I can't view that here). 

I don't think I'll be getting many tips from boaz re: sej.  I know he has a million games w/ her though - I just don't think he does much w/ regard to crafting, alt rune/mastery builds, etc.  He also only likes playing ap sej and this build is decidedly not that. 

cow - do you have any link to the build, etc for diamond's game?  I can prob find the vod, but runes/masteries prob not.

yah - catching mr bryff is hit and miss.  I've caught him a few times somewhat recently, but its few and far between. 

hedgie - trick2g though.  I love trying his stuff out from time to time, but its usually just some goofy crap.  If he's building the tanky jungle item that gives tenacity, then the cdr boots make ok sense.  I'm not sure how that pans out, what his whole build is, etc.  That said, my stint working on sej is probably not going to last super long, but I'm trying to polish up my jungle game a bit and am super rusty/bad.

Ult their front line then EQ to back line?  EQ through front line then Ult to isolate back line?  Ult front line then EQ back to safety of team while your guys poke the fish in a barrel?  Ult to peel for your squishies?  Ult to trap their squishies?  Lots of decisions that have to be made very quickly.  Also, using your ult with terrain, best placement and positioning so you can get a second EQ on the first flag, etc etc.  Compared to a point and click single target ult on Vi?  I'm thinking that J4 has the higher skill ceiling.

Vi knocks up people en-route to her "R" target. It's just as "multitarget" as a J4's EQ combo. (in fact, a 4-man CC from a Vi ult in a chokepoint was one of the reasons we lost one of our ranked games).

Anyway, i think we both agree that Gnar + Jarven is a lot better than Gnar + Vi. i think that Vi has some very strong synergy with Assassins in the midlane (particularly in the assassins versus assassin matchup, since J4 might have a hard time hitting EQ against the more slippery assassins). At the moment, we haven't been playing many assassins midlane. If we starting doing so, that's a strong reason to play Vi.

riot post on the jung item + gromp change

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/1zxfs9BA-tanks-on-fire-incoming-cinderhulk-gromp-changes

ok so check out carry.gg. Some interesting info - only works on in game folks:

here's an example

Now, the noob stat stuff can be crap as its only counting the number of games played in ranked as champ.  The hot/cold streak, on the other hand.. VERY useful.  Also nice to see veteran info.  The cold streak means folks that are more likely to tilt if their lane goes poop.  The bad cs'er tag means this guy is trash at farming - which means he sucks mechanically or consistently goes for trades at the cost of cs.  Either way, useful intel.  I'll prob check this out when I do ranked next.  Interesting at any rate. 

Had 1 nice ranked game tonight with a 21,0 kda on support morg. We were up against a poo team, but it was a nice moral boost anyway

I pretty much never lolking people any more during champ select or loading screen unless they want mid lane so I can see if its worth giving it to them or if I should take it incase they are one of those people that decided to main mid lane after seeing bjergsen play mid zilean on stream (yeah that happened).

The only thing I get tilty about at champ select now is if people pick champions into there counter picks. Its like willingly jumping off a bridge into a spike pit. You can pretty much assume that that particular lane is already lost (especially in solo queue). First pick vaynes are also a sore spot for me unless the dude is a vayne main then whatever. Odd ball jungle picks are annoying as well especially when there is a vi/j4/lee/reksai/nidalee up yet but instead we get fiora.

Games last night:

Leaving Liss up for me to first pick worked really well. I don't think it was the only reason we won those games but it definitely helped. Everyone played pretty well in those games. Dan's Orianna was very on point in the last game. It seems like both me and Dan have been doing well on Ori and we might want to run her more often.

 I think the malphite/mao/hec game we should of won. Karl and Hunny were very fed and like Karl said if we just took a fight on our terms (initiating on jinx) we would of probably won the game. I was a naughty boy and went in on almost every pacov snare despite who it was. I think the worst case was when I started a fight after Pacov snared there super tanky leona around the dragon pit. We lost atleast 4 members I think and dragon from me getting jumping in on a very undesirable target. I needed to have better self control. If we ever run a comp like that we will just have to wait for flash + initiation on the carry or play for really easy picks.

Fun games anyway to bad we didn't go 3-1 : /

some other jungle changes on pbe

Crimson Raptor

• Damage reduced to 45 from 55

Murk Wolf

• Gold increased to 16 from 12

Raptor

• Damage reduced to 16 from 20

That raptor damage was pretty epic...

I've not had the problem with sub-optimal junglers not being able to clear well, but I'm running 1/12/17 masteries and vamp quints on my junglers.  You still can't sustain early like you could before, but you can get through red in good shape with a gromp start.  It's not the best for optimizing damage late game, but the three biscuit start is good for gromp/blue/red with 60% plus health in good time with Rammus.  The summoner cd cooldown, trinket range and speed help with ganks and clear speeds, and the combined vamprism and durability is enough to sustain with the good junglers without needing a vamp item.  You still have to back with most of them, but you can usually make someone else back too.  On a successful gank with Rammus I usually get the first jungle upgrade and tier 2 boots off my first back.