ah, but who defines civilized?
when the aliens come to kill us all off with their advanced technological wonders and keep sweeping through the multiverse, will we have considered them a greater civilization than our, or lesser just because they kicked our butt first?
again, i'm kidding...
"Civilized"...what a crock. So is any being who performs any act which may be construed as "violent" (in your definition - "your" meaning anyone not "me") uncivilized? So Bob might think it was TERRIBLE to spank that kid, but Frank thinks the kid had it coming...
Again, depends on who you ask, and then who you choose to agree with, or believe.
Same thing when you ask which religion is the real one, since each says all other Gods are false and the blasphemers will rot in hell... (joking around again...calm down)
it's a sad fact that we get hung up spending time debating how intelligent, or worldly, or primitive we are, rather than getting something out of life, being productive, enjoying our families, expanding our minds.
we sure havea lot of time to type away on a keyboard and complain...
jump on 1800flowers.com and send yer girl some flowers.
check out the tide schedule for the beach to take your kid to after work.
preorder some movie tickets to take the family out or something.
go skin something
(no, Kinrik...put the cat down...that's UNcivilized

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