And I am getting tired of people saying another country has to be bombed. >
Who's next? France? They have nuclear weapons too. And they opposed to the initial suggestion of the US concerning Iraq. Are they suddenly terrorists too?
As an European I get really sick. Let's go skinning. I wish that sniper in Washington turned towards leading people, especially the ones who initiate large masses to get fighting each other for the sake of what

Peff, my sadness is that masses are grown up where hatred towards people is taught in schools. If anything is a justification for an attack, then this would be against those who spread hatred. We have an obligation to teach people that people can live in peace with one another. During the civil/faith war in Ireland we invited children of both faiths in Holland just to meet each other. Those kids found out they shouldn't have to be afraid for each other. Now that's so sad hatred has been indoctrined at such an age. The same in Israel/Palestine, markets were held at the borders and normal people could very well trade with each other. Until a leader called upon a new Jihad, and the other one saw his chance to smack around killing kids. And the people are filled with more hatred each time any one of them dies because of violence. Same in Bosnia. People became enemies from one day to the next. Only because hatred was poored into them from leaders. It's not so much because of the people in a country that suddenly want to grab arms, it is what they are taught how to act and think. We have a great opportunity in this world because of the massmedia to teach people, but instead we are seeking enemies. I understand fully your position Peff and I was in favour of attacking the former republic of Yugoslavia. Only the time they went in was way too late and the evil could spread and harm was done. The sad part is that the people who initiated the hatred are still at loose. And they could be easily chased and captured and brought to justice. Now if I only understood why those efforts aren't made. Osama, Saddam, Karadzic, Mladic are still at large and able to spread evil. That's our world. Somehow they are necessary in the game of powerful people.

That would be the first wise Queen then Paxx

As for monarchies...Are you referring to that old woman that continuously leaves her crack pipe around setting fire to her palaces? If she's a monarch, then Elvis truly was the King!!!

hahahah... just go away lecrayon.

I still remember those Froggie secret service people sinking the Rainbow Warrior in a foreign port....I' d still call that an act of war against both New Zealand, and a Legitimate International Civil Rights Establishment.

That was Government-endorsed Terrorism.
Thanks, France....

OH NOOOOOOO orginized religion!! Lets not go there

I don't like bombing countries either Lecrayon. I really don't. It is what happens when if we don't that scares me more. If Saddam where to uptain Nuclear capability it would be a major downfall for any type of peace. As much as I agree with Peff that N. Korea posses a greater threat to anyone, I do not feel that N. Korea would actually do anything because they would be elimitated. I think they are using the fact that they have Nuclear power to get something (probably food and a economy not start a war) Dealing with N. Korea has to be a diplomatic because anything else could mean a definate death of millions of people through a war; no question (Iraq has no way of even coming close to that unless the fighting spread through out the region)Those 1 Million soldiers and plenty of missile power means more civilians dying in Japan, China, and South Korea (and other parts) when N. Korea is attacked. It means thousands of our soldiers dying. N. Korea would be a total World War. Iraq on the other hand would be a squrmish compared to N Korea. Keep in mind also that mainly Iraq posses a threat that can be managed through a war if all else fails. As sad as it sounds Iraq is not powerful enough to do what ever it wants to. It is like a double standard, but I rather have a stable country have power like Britain or France or Italy, Germany, US, even China then have a country like Iraq have that power.

The bottom line is this, North Korea has power and is stable enough not to push the international community past the point. It will continue on with its human right violations (I do not think human right violations ever causeed any country to go to war) and give in to pressure so it won't get blown sky high.

Iraq does not have the power and is increadibaly unstable. If it where to get the power and become more extreme it would gladly give an organized group the power to deliver a bomb.

oh and I think Lecrayon comment was that the sniper should target the Osama's, Saddam's, Karadzic's (I don't know what he did please elaberate), Mladic's (I don't know what he did please elaberate), Hitler's, Timmothy Mc Bay's and others who only wish is to spread extreme values on people, cause the war, and yet excape to an island in the Caribian to live happily ever after while hate and ignorance of thier ideas has spread.

paxx....Sad indeed.

Joe: http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/bosnia010706.html
They were the ones that planned and executed ethnic cleansing in former Yugoslavia.
Bakerstreet, you take statements far too personal and I know you like to personalize a discussion. That way you can pinpoint and slap to your own satisfaction. You interpret single sentences the way suits you best to get aroused or give someone else another hit in the face. I am not playing your game.

Woops, just heard a rumour this sniper is french. Whoaaaaaaaa. Now that is a justification to bomb France and get rid of their nuclear weaponry. Go ahead, flame away. (this is meant ironically)

Wombat: The only talk of Korea's army here has been in response to those short-sighted enough to suggest intervening there militarily... For the record I wasn't responding favorably to cutting off oil.

As far as 1980's Iran/Iraq, the history books aren't necessary considering we are reminded by every Arab pundit on CNN. Somehow, in the post-Carter era, the oil producing (read: wielding) middle east became, um, confused? I seem to remember a fuel shortage at one point in our history. Do you think, perhaps, a friendly Iraq, and its proximity to the Kuwaiti border was of any benefit? If there were unforseen consequenses, we'd be happy to fix them, if our 'allies' would kindly step out if the way.

Or perhaps we should have allowed the Soviet Union to play both sides of every conflict, making billions on arms and a bevy of oil-rich, Syria clones? I don't remember seeing much of a 'coalition' at the time, regardless. Afghanistan was an opportunity to watch our cold-war opposition bleed themselves to death; a cold war that sadly seems to be fading from the collective memory at 'strategic' moments in conversation.

BTW, the general consensus here is that all those you listed were Great Men, and frankly I don't see how citing previous tragedy is any benefit to the current jester.

Fuzzy: one problem with the IRA is that the population they support are being terrorized by an opposing force, who are just easier to ignore since they don't have an agreed upon name. Most recent terrorism in Ireland has beenof the protestant variety. I don't think anyone has ignored IRA violence anymore than they have ignored Palestinian violence in Isreal; both are occupied nations with unruly militant settlers. I think the UK made a mistake allowing them to officially exist, but only after the historical mistake of forcefully oppressing the Irish people.

Fuzzy L - If we invaded a neighboring country and stayed there several hundred years to their economic and political detriment, I would not be surprised if there arose a strong underground terrorist countermovement. (Particularly if I had disarmed and rendered vulnerable and helpless this people). Don't saddle us with Ireland. It's your mess - you clean it up. You're all very quick to point out when we try to drag other people into a mess that we created, and in some cases rightly so. Drop the hypocrisy and don't drag us into your messes.

It was England who originally invaded and occupied the territoy of the Native Americans I believe.

I really don't have a rosey view of the Irish situation, and I know that the portions of the FBI and other agencies tasked to stop IRA monetary support arising in the US have been traditionally given short shrift in money, manpower, and priority, which is a shame. Terrorism is terrorism.