bakerstreet no i dont sit and look at winamp3 but you can feel its chugging on the desktop or doing weird thinks messing with explorer, didnt have any imaging software open, all i had running was mIRC wolffm in the playlist, DesktopX, WindowBlinds, wfx2 & norton 2002 suite running in systray

yes winamp3 was excluded from everything until i uninstalled it

well alot of people ive spoken to dont like winamp3 because its unstable and alot of bugs so its not just me as you seem too think

define how many peoples machines it runs fine on...?

ive not got problems with it on CPU usage as its about 0 to 2% it just uses way too much GDI at one stage it was up as high as 7,000 GDI with their default winamp3 skin 25mem usage with a very small play list as thats all i mostly use winamp or v3 for internet radio

but ever since ive uninstalled winamp3 its been a dream, i totaly think winamp3 is a joke at this time as winamp2.8 is way more stable, doesnt even use more than most 2 - 4 meg of mem & GDI is as low as 256

Explorer crashes and it must be winamp...? Are we talking about the same Explorer? You are a skinner, you should know better than that...

well it only messes with explorer.exe when running winamp3 and no none of my OS files are Hax0red and heres what it done to explorer till i had too restart it http://python.railbait.com/images/upload/Image1.jpg everytime i dragged a window it left all these trails

and as for the latest drivers there all from NVIDIA.com for motherboard, and the gfx card i aint going back too older detonators for winamp3 40.41 is alot better for WFX2, especially gaming and DVD

Voo: What you show in that screenshot is DesktopX not drawing the desktop correctly. Quite possibly because it has hung. Were any of the desktopX objects responding when you had that problem? As to whether Winamp3 caused it I have nothing to say on that matter When you can come back here with no other customisation apps running and give the same account your blaming it on Winamp3 may be more credible.

that was to Voodoo, btw...

well, I am thinking about making a try for winamp3, is it that hard for coding like some people say? does anybody knows about a good skinning tutorial for it?

No software works on 100% of systems. That's especially true right now when you have half the people running Windows 98Frogboy and the other have running Win2K/XP.

I would imagine Nullsoft mostly runs Win2K/XP (like many of us here in this disucssion).

Winamp3 IMO works pretty well on WinXP. But it uses a lot of GDI resources (which on XP is no big deal). But on Win98/ME, it is a big deal.

WindowBlinds has gone through the exact same stuff. People have always talked about how it is "buggy" or "slow" or whatever. In more recent times people have moved more and more towards feeling it's gotten "much better". The reality is that it hasn't really gotten better, it's just that more people have moved to Windows XP where GDI resources aren't an issue.

GDI resources, the secret devil of customization. Most people are oblivious to it. All desktop enhancements use them.

Each new version of WindowBlinds uses fewer and fewer of them as we learn some new trick or technique to save a GDI object here or there. Ever wonder why WB has such obnoxious image lists? Saves on GDI resources.

The fewer you use, the higher your compatibility gets.

I would be that 99% of Winamp 3 users have no problems with WA 3. But 1 out of 100 means 10,000 people out of a million and that's a LOT of ticked off people.

P.S. Integer: I concur with your view. As has been said, differences in opinion don't necessarily mean differences in principles.