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the fall of customize?

April 24, 2002 11:59:49 AM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums
When I first discovered winamp skins I went to a site called customize.org. Then I went to skinz when cust dissapeared. But since cust has come back its become a haven for l33ts. What's the deal there? Whose in charge of the zoo there? Its just wallpapers and screenshots and they constantly attack Stardock's stuff. I read on deskmod the wb3 announcement and the cust admins were on attacking it there. Then on cust itself they attack it some more. What kind of skin site has admins that bad mouth new releases of the software they support on their site?
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John Hamp
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Reply #1 April 24, 2002 3:51:12 PM
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Indeed it is sad. It's become just a wallpaper site.

Only on Customize would the admins of the site tear down newly releases of skinning programs without even trying them.

http://www.customize.org/news/232

It's been quite a fall from where they once were. Now it's the slum of the skin community.
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Reply #2 April 24, 2002 5:49:43 PM
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the "slum of the community" is an intriguing quote.
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Reply #3 April 24, 2002 6:41:14 PM
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Customize.org, its admins and its [remaining] members has a jaundiced view/interpretation of the skinning world.
Once the creator/originator of the whole 'community' it is now certainly 'different'.
Whether that is because of the rise and flourishing of other sites, or whether it is a reflection of the behaviour and mind-set of its administrators, is open to conjecture.
But..
Too much ill-feeling has been directed by them at the members of the same community that Custo was pivotal in creating.
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John Hamp
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Reply #4 April 24, 2002 9:36:09 PM
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Indeed. Can you imagine an admin here commenting on a NEWS ITEM on this site saying how terrible the program that the news item was about was?

Or Jark on DA or Chaz on LOS or Scarebear on Skinbase or Dave on Deskmod? It would never happen. It's just bizarre.

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Reply #5 April 24, 2002 10:35:56 PM
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heyhey custo is custo, just a weird place I decided to quit long time ago.

The problem there is mostly young admins and users saying anything just for fun after a frustrated school day. This is the way to relax over there.
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Reply #6 April 25, 2002 3:44:22 AM
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Nothing wrong with customize, just a different crowd really.
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Reply #7 April 25, 2002 9:49:02 AM
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exactly, diff strokes for diff folks...
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Reply #8 April 25, 2002 10:45:58 AM
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uh.. not really. some strokes just shouldn't be taken. it's not right to excuse inappropriate behavior by simply saying it's 'different.' it's simply not true that all things are ok, just in their own way. some things are wrong.

old custo / new custo .. two totally different things.
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Reply #9 April 25, 2002 10:57:59 AM
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mig remember we're on the net... who's gonna stop them from saying what they want? hehe

that crowd over there (the new one) has been the same since day one of it's grand opening, I don't see it changing now cuz it already has established it's personality over there and I just read and click next on my Fav's and go onto the next flavor of site... hehe (each site has it's own theme even this one)

thou shall not judge ppl by the sites they visit...
(cept pr0n or porn) hehe

Doreen wonders why ppl get so bent outta shape from things they see or read on the net??? =/
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Reply #10 April 25, 2002 10:59:38 AM
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good ole equivication. can't criticize indecent behavior because it's not indecent, it's just 'different'. pity. once upon a time there were concepts like right and wrong and people knew the difference. now it seems nothing is 'wrong'.
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Reply #11 April 25, 2002 11:02:54 AM
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Brad knows his product is good. (the sales show it is)
make a good product and "nothing that anyone can actually say" will bring it down, me thinks...
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Reply #12 April 25, 2002 11:04:09 AM
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craeonics morphs into evil_crae
"Wrong" and "inappropriate" are subjective and depend on your context. To them it may be okay, to you it may not.
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Reply #13 April 25, 2002 11:04:22 AM
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well JayG who is gonna stop ppl on the net? hehe
you can only control your own house that's it really.
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Reply #14 April 25, 2002 11:06:22 AM
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what is so inappropriate about bad mouthing a product? been happening forever Microsoft is still here? is it not?
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Reply #15 April 25, 2002 11:06:32 AM
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Some people think blowing themselves up in a restraunt to kill people makes them a hero too. If you don't speak out against behavior you think is bad then it becomes acceptable. cust's admins are routinely rude kids that have turned a once great site into a graveyard.
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Reply #16 April 25, 2002 11:09:40 AM
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well bad mouthing stardock and blowing yourself up in a restaurant I "think" are two diff things... hehe
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Reply #17 April 25, 2002 11:12:39 AM
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oh, i'm not saying it would ever change. there's absolutely no way to change something like that, and i wouldn't want to. they have every right to say what they'd like. but that doesn't mean it's ok i mean.. i could tell my neighbor he has b.o. and i could mention it in conversations around the neighborhood. but it wouldn't be cool to do that. and.. i should expect to hear something from my neighbor about it, or at least expect him to not be quite as friendly towards me.

it's about being polite. simple courtesy. is it 'required?' no.. but it's a good idea if you want to interact with people. often people don't catch on to this until they're a bit older and have screwed up a few interactions, or even friendships, by being rude or tactless.
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Reply #18 April 25, 2002 11:18:43 AM
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true mig
and I'm the type I would not tell my neighbor he has b.o. in person but on the net I would! hehe

I bet half the crowd over there at custo would not say the same things in person too... most are face to face shy?
(I know I am and I only sing my tunes on the net) hehe

some ppl can just express differently I guess, they are just venting their thoughts outloud whether ppl agree or disagree on the net welllll it does not matter cuz there is no net police to make them shut up or be quiet right but again
we all have that same right to speak or "Type" back!!! hehe
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Reply #19 April 25, 2002 11:22:20 AM
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B.o.?

craeonics goes looking for the dictionary
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Reply #20 April 25, 2002 11:26:33 AM
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Oi! I get to teach Dutchy something new!!!!!!

b.o. = Body odor


hehe
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Reply #21 April 25, 2002 11:27:48 AM
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Aha. No I can imagine you won't tell your neighbour that. Unless he/she is a friend ofcourse.
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Reply #22 April 25, 2002 11:28:37 AM
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I think his analogy was valid though. I tend to think it's a cop out when people try to excuse obviously bad behavior as just being different.

But that actually isn't what saddens me because at the end of the day there are some absolute measurements of such things: Website success.

Customize.org makes a good textbook case of how important admins are to the success of a site. It's a site that had a good domain, has been around a long time and has lots of sites that link to it. In short, it has every advantage. Yet look at the activity. It's last in # of skin submissions (it's mostly screenshots now and some wallpapers) and the message boards are relatively inactive too.

Now, why is this? Well, in my opinion it's because they have alienated those who are crucial to the success of such a site - skin authors and developers. Last year they completely alienated many of the top skin authors with their terrible treatment of Treetog, Alexandrie and others. And what software developer is going to be anxious to support a site where the admins themselves are just as likely to rip on the software as say something nice?

Now, if their goal is to demonstrate how to destroy a website, then yes, they're very successful. But if their goal is to create a website in which there is a lots of activity in message boards, skin submissions, and visitors, then clearly it's pretty undeniable that they've harmed it. Behavior does have consequences. If anyone else has a theory as to why Customize.org has lost so much of its popularity with skin authors and users, feel free to bring it up. But it seems pretty obvious to me that seeing the site being run by a bunch of rude juvenilles can't have helped.
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Reply #23 April 25, 2002 11:36:27 AM
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that's also true Brad, but in the end who knows, the net is very vast right? Porn sites have their own crowd too...

I don't talk on custo cuz I don't feel comfortable myself in that crowd to chat but I do read from time to time over there and what I read I don't pass judgement on, I just read and carry on, I have no right to say what is right or wrong for other ppl to type on their screens.

I think if a site is that bad, take it off your Fav's or Bookmark and just don't go there.
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Reply #24 April 25, 2002 11:37:20 AM
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craeonics is still evil_crae (that's what happens when you have to let php interface with Access)
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2. bad reputation (whether they deserve it or not)
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Reply #25 April 25, 2002 11:43:06 AM
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