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March 23, 2002 7:48:04 PM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums
Someone who is having a lot of complex, keep giving me rates 1 to my works with XP relating subject. Today I got rate 1 for my new wallpaper "XP-Roll".

Please don't tell me about the XP stuff,downloads etc, because this is not the case and it is not as it was before any more, if you know what I mean.

In the other hand, everybody are looking and nobody is acting. Is this a sense of community?

Don't you think that the anonymity in the rating system, is helping the cowards and the adulators to express their complex, in the most cases?
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adni18
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Reply #1 March 23, 2002 8:24:00 PM
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Anyone that _can_ rate has to be 'fairly' respected to have gained that ability, and I am a little surprised that someone like that would rate so spitefully/poorly.
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Reply #2 March 23, 2002 10:00:04 PM
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I know how you feel adni, it's a cowardly way to dig at someone and has nothing to do with the merits of your work. When the Jriver site put a ratings system up someone went through and put 1's on most of my skins there. It really hurt my feelings that someone felt so bad towards me. I almost never leave ratings on anyone's work. I just leave a comment.

Whoever is doing it has a problem. Maybe it's related to the XP thing as you say, and I agree, that was over a long time ago. Your work is polished, professionaland extremely popular, and in no case, in no way ever deserves a rating of 1.

I tried, when it was done to my work, to figure out why it was done. Was it jealously over downloads? did I offend someone? but ultimately you can't know what the person is thinking or why they do such a thing. Which is what makes it so cowardly. Email me which pieces have been attacked and I'll go through and fix it.
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Reply #3 March 23, 2002 10:19:27 PM
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If I'am not mistaken, on another thread someone was rated with a poor rating. I said in the by-laws that you had to be a journeyman to rate, but was informed that an apprentice could rate. If that is the case then it could be anyboby. I think that the rating should be tied into the comment. If you don't comment then the rating would not be accepted. That would solve that problem. Also it should be put back to a journeyman level and above. Or you could do away with the ratings altogether. Comments only. Ratings are very subjective anyway. If the skin works, then the only difference between them is the color or size. I might like this color on the skin and someone else might not. One gives it a good rating while the other doesn't. Who knows1
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adni18
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Reply #4 March 24, 2002 2:56:16 AM
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Thank you very much all of you, for your understanding and for your time you spend to answer to this tread.

DavidK, your comment make me feel better and I appreciate that. Thank you very much for your will to fix this unfairness, someone did it all ready, if it was you, I thank you again.

WiseOldMan,
you wrote "I think that the rating should be tied into the comment. If you don't comment then the rating would not be accepted" and I totally agree with you, I think that is the only fair solution for the rating system.
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Reply #5 March 24, 2002 4:16:09 AM
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I totally agree with the idea to only allow a rating by leaving a comment. Would be a really good solution.
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Reply #6 March 24, 2002 5:36:12 AM
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a little bit off topic... as im not of developer status yet i was wondering if anyone could tell me what ratings i have for my wallpapers?

thanks
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Reply #7 March 24, 2002 7:20:03 AM
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Ratings vs opinions vs "polling", we all know that statistically we will always have results to either extreme, may they be positive or negative. This is inherent and for as much as we would like to think is unchangable. There will always be those results that are not appropriate or fall outside our expectations. Whether is be the color of the skin, the font, or some other insignificant element, we can't please all of the people all of the time. It should be the average that we focus our attention, granted the number of ratings we obtain is never "satisfactory", but if we relied on others to determine our true "worth", what a scary proposition THAT would be!
I was unaware of the "requirements" as per the "bylaws" regarding who can rate, and who "cannot", however keep in mind you may be eliminating a positive result using this method as well as those ratings felt to be demeaning.
Consistantly, your work has been exceptional, this continues to hold true..............
Thanks for the opportunity to share my "two cents worth."
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Reply #8 March 24, 2002 8:43:30 AM
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I reel the ratings should be abolished completely. Ratings are ridiculous. There are no guidelines, just personal taste.
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Reply #9 March 24, 2002 10:29:19 AM
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Thank you 1Renegade

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Reply #10 March 24, 2002 11:02:02 AM
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Nikos: I will bring this up on the admins message board, because I totally agree with you too. There has to be a better way of doing this. Leave it with me.
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Reply #11 March 24, 2002 1:18:50 PM
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Thank you Bryan
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Reply #12 March 24, 2002 4:51:00 PM
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I have received an e-mail today from a very talented skinner from our community, that is related to this thread.
This person teaches us a very valuable lesson about how to behave as artists in our field of skinning.
This artist quotes:
"After all, for us this should not be about who is best or worst, but the fact that we all enjoy doing it. I believe we learn from everyone and can admire each other's work."

I hope that all of us sould take this in to consideration, not only in skinning , but in every day life.
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Reply #13 March 24, 2002 10:16:44 PM
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I personally would have no problem with a rating needing to be 'signed' by the person doing the rating.
I certainly have sufficient 'intestinal fortitude' to put my name to anything I rate...if needs-be.

"Rated 10 by Jafo"
or
"Rated 1 by Jafo"

Then the artist may take it or leave it as he/she sees fit...
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Reply #14 March 25, 2002 12:08:16 AM
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Perhaps the admins can look into it and re-evaluate the access level of the person who is doing these ratings? I think that is a better solution than wrecking the rating system.
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Reply #15 March 25, 2002 4:17:01 AM
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"rating should be tied into the comment"

comment......[10]
or
comment......[5]

How about it Jafo?
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Reply #16 March 25, 2002 5:22:58 PM
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Jafo's post.... I personally would have no problem with a rating needing to be 'signed' by the person doing the rating.
I certainly have sufficient 'intestinal fortitude' to put my name to anything I rate...if needs-be............
"Rated 10 by Jafo"
or
"Rated 1 by Jafo"


I could not refrain myself from commenting on jafo's suggestion
Yes yes yes yes....... That is the way to go, but as I have said in the past, this won't happen You have my vote jafo..... and if the person don't want their name posted on the rating they left.... then don't rate anyone's skin jafo it is the ONLY Fair way to go........ ok ok I'll go back to picking my nose



"Rated 10 by Jafo"
or
"Rated 1 by Jafo"

Then the artist may take it or leave it as he/she sees fit...
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Reply #17 March 25, 2002 8:41:16 PM
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"After all, for us this should not be about who is best or worst, but the fact that we all enjoy doing it. I believe we learn from everyone and can admire each other's work."

This sounds great Adni, but if this was the everyone felt, we wouldn't have the "Top Ten Downloads" and "Top Skin Authors" plastered on the page would we?

As for ratings, I would like for someone to explain why they are needed, but if we must have them..........
LISTEN TO JAFO!
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Reply #18 March 25, 2002 8:52:54 PM
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dOH! .....if this was HOW everyone felt
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Reply #19 March 25, 2002 9:17:22 PM
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Ratings blow

I've not liked anonymous ratings since the official Sonique site. Although I deserved most of mine
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Reply #20 March 25, 2002 9:57:13 PM
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Aye, ratings should be signed/traceable. It would deter many a would-be troll/spammer.
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Reply #21 March 25, 2002 10:04:48 PM
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Listen to Jafo
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Reply #22 March 25, 2002 10:23:15 PM
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"ratings should be signed/traceable"

What next, the punishment? Are we sitting as judge and jury here, I believe this is taking things abit too far.
As far as the rating tied to a comment, great idea, however, hasn't it been brought to mind time and time again that there seems to be a LACK of comments in the first place.
If I can make a simple observation, seems like we have brought this thread full cicle...(?)
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Reply #23 March 25, 2002 10:24:20 PM
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oops....circle, not cicle

(hate typos!)
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Reply #24 March 26, 2002 2:04:15 AM
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Adni18, I personally don't like the wallpaper. Don't get me wrong, I know that you work hard and are one of the highest producing skinners here, but getting a bad rating occasionally is all part of the package. I wouldn't have rated the wallpaper a 1, I think that was unfair, but I wouldn't have gone much higher than 4 or 5. It's just the way the ratings system works, some people will rate high, some people will rate low, and just because a small number of people rate way too high or way too low, you shouldn't let it get to you, it will all balance out in the end.

To those that think the rating system is unfair, exercize your right to vote, the more people that vote, the more balanced the ratings will become, and give a truer opinion of the merits of a piece. Just because one person hates it, it won't totally sink the rating.

Adni, I'm sorry that someone rated your skin so poorly, but I'm sure this thread will encourage more people to vote, and give you something a little closer to useful feedback on your work.

AJC

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Reply #25 March 26, 2002 11:02:57 AM
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AJCrowley,
Thank you for your reply to the thread.
I never said that this particular wallpaper was masterpiece or that deserved a rate 10, but this rate 1 was malicius. That was all.
I know well that there are different tastes and no one can't never expect that everybody will agree about the result of any artistic work. It is natural!

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