Elf, the book by its self is unlikely to help

however, hopefully it will give you more insight into how males (and females) tend to think, and the differences in how men and women tend to me.

i do feel that you two need to start comunitating more. talking isnt always the same thing, especially if you are not making your feeling about this situation clear.

you dont seem to have any real idea of what he thinks and feels. i suspect this uncertanty isnt helping you to feel all stable, wanted and loved

Loid... I think my point was we're all hopeless coffee devotees here (or several of us, at least), and this thread had a coffee bent to it for a while. And I'm still confused about the time difference, but I've placed my bet on your lottery recommendations.

I guess "Glen Eric Reed" will be as close as I come to a nom de plume here, at any rate. On the plus side, any pseudonymous stuff I've done elsewhere remains generally unknown. On the minus side, I can be stalked crazy skin fanatics. OkK9%!!^#$ indeed.

feline... Sorry, screwy as it may be, the English language has its rules, and needs no fixing per se. Of course, on here we have a conglomeration of British English, American English, and Australian English. I suppose adding Felinian English won't hurt any.

And the "people understand what I'm saying" excuse works great. All other things being equal, however, it makes you appear less intelligent. (And please don't take that remark as me implying that you're not intelligent ... in your case, all other things aren't equal, and you're coming off at least reasonably intelligent to me.)

Okay, anyone else I can insult?

Ahhhh, and I return again

Been a rather odd day. I haven't slept much, probably about 5 hours, and woke up when Rob called me.

hmm..his keyboard is sticky..I wonder why.

Got out today finally, and got some decent food at a Japanese Restaurant. Went grocery shopping (well yeah.... I ate all the food...which isn't much....the past five days).

In the process of watching AI, and the movie is pretty depressing. It just proves yet again how un-accomidating and how un-feeling the human race can be. Besides it reflecting in the way that a woman, being so damn sentimental, can't accept a little robot because... it's a robot, and it has so much more to learn. It makes me wonder. Mothers always want a child who's keen on learning, on being good, and when the chance comes up... she throws it away. That... pisses me off

And being a child? The movie used a bunch of morons to portray the young population. I was actually pretty insulted by one of the child "nerds." Hehe.

Coffee? Nahhhhhh. Hot Chocolate is the way to go

Glen Eric Reed - And the "people understand what I'm saying" excuse works great. All other things being equal, however, it makes you appear less intelligent.

this is actually quite an interesting "observation".

it is very human, and initially it makes sence. however, the real point is, what group of people are you speaking for?

the reason i ask is that when i did maths at university (not actually proof of inteligence) it was observed that most (all?) of the maths and physics students had several traits in common:
a) there spelling of english was considered appauling
their grammer was often off the wall
c) hand writing was normally totaly illegible
d) they all had an unnateral fear of essay writing

so, in this group of supposedly inteligent people, a "lateral" approach to spelling was considered normal, and didnt reflect on your perceived inteligence.

now i work with computers, which complicates matters more. i live in england, but the computers normally require american spelling of various "basic" words, including color and centre.

this is just the begining of the fun though. a lot of the code i deal with has been written by other programmers, some of whom have spelling nearly as "interesting" as mine. combine this with the inate lazyness of most programmers (leading to the shortest possible words being used) and leaving out half the letters of some words becomes required english usage

drifting back more torwards my personal take on english, there are a couple of interesting points to bare in mind.
i was quite good at chemistry, even with the lovely long chemical names i had to spell. the thing with them is that they are logicaly structured.

"fixing" my spelling is actually something i have given up, since MS Office 2000 (probably several hundred pounds worth of software) is quite useless at working out what i am trying to spell. i have a 6 year old pocket sized electronic dictionarry (worth about 5 pounds) that does a far better job. its just to slow for regular use.

"english doesnt need fixing" - i like the observation (i forget where i first saw it), an inteligent child goes to school, and the teacher tells the child that enuf is spelt enough. the child concludes that the teacher doesnt know what they are talking about, and ignores then


stepping back from this circular discussion, what is actually ment by "perceived inteligence" anyway? what do you mean by inteligence?

mistakes cause wasted time

and wisdom...

Doreen is very wise... hehe

feline listens to Doreen
feline beleives in trying to learning from wise and knowledgable people

you do have a point about books, but at least they are always there for you, and it may give you some ideas / insight

Reading this thread from the top down doesn't make much sense either

Wow.. rereading what I just wrote, I come across as REALLY pompous and self-important! Oh well... the more intelligent folks will figure it out

as for "inteligence", i think we are using different meanings for the word.

if you take IQ tests repeatedly then your IQ score (well, your test result at any rate) goes up.

this is why i ask what definition you are using. a lot of simple IQ tests i have seen are actually testing knowledge of english and maths. so i do quite well in the maths half, since i was taught most of the tricks at primary school in maths lessons. hence i have very little faith in these sort of tests

the other famous measure of inteligence is exams / qualifications. most of the exams i have been exposed to over the years are mainly testing your ability to recall piles of facts, and very little else. not really what i would call inteligence personally

as for rules of grammer, i would say i have a good practical grasp of "grammer", i am just not sure of the surounding punctuation and spelling

if word isnt a proper spell checker (sounds about right) then what is it? or more usefully, what is a proper spell checking program?

as for my spelling, it has been suggested to me that i am dislexic, although i am not sure.

but it does raise the question, for people who really are, what impact does this have on the question of perceived or real inteligence?

i saw an interesting program a while ago about modern building design. the architectural firm in it said they would only ever higher dislexic architects, since they produced far better 3D designs. they couldnt be trusted to produce written work what was spelled correctly, but that was considered a small price to pay.

just goes to show. perhaps inteligence, like beuty (<- one of those words i just never seem to spell, since its spelling looks wrong), is in the eye of the beholder

feline... Intelligence is intelligence, as far as I'm concerned. It's whether or not it can be quantified that's debatable. If someone takes the SAME IQ test repeatedly, scores would logically go up ... but on properly constructed IQ tests, scores would ideally be consistent. I think you're talking about the difference between intelligence and perceived intelligence.

As for your grasp on grammar, I'd have to argue that it's more tenuous than you're claiming. You have a more than adequate grasp on syntax, but grammar comprises not only syntax, but spelling and punctuation as well. To your advantage, the mixture makes you appear smart but less obnoxious than I do.

I agree that intelligence is in the eye of the beholder -- average people look smart to stupid people. This whole thing started because I figured less-intelligent people might regard your "felinisms" as lack of intelligence rather than just not caring.

Regardless of any of this, Java's right -- we're starting to make this thread boring! And I'm getting REALLY tired of sounding pompous, overeducated, and condescending.

All this because I thought the picture of a "tummy run" on cats was amusing!

craeonics adds: intelligence = ability to learn + ability to apply the newfound knowledge

So the better you are at both, the more intelligent you are. That means that if you can learn well and know a dicitionary inside out, but can't apply that knowledge, you're not intelligent. But on the other hand if you only know a limited set of words but can express just about anything you want with it, you are.

Trouble with IQ tests is that they are context specific. They use cultural elements which means poele form said culture will score higher than those that are not.

craeonics thinks coffee discussions are boring

Also interesting to see how the mind reconstructs sentences as you type, which is why there's an excess "but" in there.