Very well said, Hamster! I used to hold Shoggot in such high regard, and now I feel nothing but contempt for the shambling, bitter figure he has become. This is the first time I have expressed my feelings in public, preferring not to lower myself to his level, But his latest outbursts, and his continuing "Stardock is evil" crusade verges on the ridiculous. I have experienced for myself the true face of the men behind Stardock, and I can tell you that it is as far removed from evil as you can get. I consider myself to be an honest upright person, and I can assure you that if these guys were evil, I would have nothing to do with them. But, here I am, and happy to be here.
Shoggot made me a better artist, of that there is no doubt, but when someone embarks on a crusade born of envy and bitterness, I can no longer bring myself to support that person in any way, shape or form.
ALL of Shoggots accusations are unfounded, and I know that Frogboy suffers great anguish when he tries to help the skinning community and immediately gets it thrown back in his face.
I just hope all of this comes to an end soon, and that people realise that just because you are successful, it doesn't mean that everything you do is for personal gain.

Now, Shoggot is bound to arrive here shortly and tell you that I am a Stardock employee, and lots more untruths, but take it from me, I am in the employ of NO-ONE. I just love this site, this community, this skinning thing, this opportunity to create and have some fun!

Let the games begin........
(The GUI Olympics that is...)

Great posts guys.

I truly believe that the source of the discontent has very little to do with Stardock/Brad personally. It's much closer to what hamster wrote about shoggot not being in control. It may be that things would have turned out differently in this latest issue if his demands were met about changing the rules. But then again, he would have probably just tried to wrest more control. It seems things always have to be on his terms, and if they are not, he lies in wait to find some way to "discredit" those who he feels are his opposition. But sadly, in reality, all he does is discredit himself....again, and again.

Actually crae, I think it was just a litle bit after that had started to settle, when Shog was supposed to be an admin here and for some reason got bumped. I've heard on the message board what happenned, but I never heard Shoggot's point of view about it.....might be kinda interesting to know though.

Shoggot wasn't bumped. He said he didn't have enough free time to be an admin.

That's okay. Currently Shoggot is apparently telling people he was banned from here. Shoggot's posts still exist on the server, it's pretty easy to verify that he was never banned (the term "exiled" would appear as his title).

to people like this shog, every bump in life is an intentional slight against him by the world it seems.

If you exile Shoggot you help make his point.Its best to let him be. The best or worst thing you could do is don't respond to his messages. That would be the ultimate humiliation. People like this exist in every walk of life. They try to stir up the pot in the hopes of bringing everyone else down in the so as to elevating themselves.

At this point, I don't really thing Shoggot is an issue anymore. He's pretty much exhausted what influence he may have had.

Now he's just a rather loud user who doesn't make skins. Doesn't write software, and doesn't even administer a major skinning site. He's just a guy with strong opinions. There's zillions of people like that.

The people who drive a "community" are the ones who contribute to it in a positive way. Positive people are the ones who get things done. And other positive people tend to be attracted to them and a positive feedback loop is developed.

I actually had a user email me accusing me of being Shoggot. He thought I was using this alias called Shoggot to go around and so discredit the "anti-Stardock" crowd by being so ridiculous (that wasn't the word he used but this is nicer) as to solidy our hold. This person was obviously not pro-Brad or pro-Stardock, he really thought *I* was Shoggot and using him to manipulate things my way.

A-ha!

By posting this it just proves that you really are Shoggot! The the lengths that you go to, to further your dark plots are truly amazing.

I didn't know that frogs were that devious.
They weren't in the Frog and Toad books.

since this has officially been admited, then obviously the real evil ploy to achieve world domination is MUCH deeper!

i suspect therefor that Frogboy is actually *every* other user here, except for me of course. why else the need for the increadible typing speed?

this is just one massive great exercise in manipulating poor inocents who dont know better than to beleive everything they read.

feline wonders how many newspapers are also secretly run from stardock central

feline *giggle*

Of course you'd say that, Elfkura. YOu're just another one of my alias's.

Ahhhh..so now all of us know that Frogboy have gender crisis

He's only tried to be a girl and a guy with one alias =P

You need professional help then, Brad

feline watches frogboy giving himself outstanding advice

and people say i have personality issues