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Amazing New Image Manipulation Software Coming

Photoshop? What's that?

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October 19, 2011 10:47:44 AM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums

It was bound to happen. Progress.

Soon, you won't really be able to tell the difference between what is a real picture and what isn't.... not just for pictures, but for animations as well.

 

Take a look at this video:  http://vimeo.com/28962540

Sorry but it's a vimeo vid and won't embed with the code they give. 

Anyway, you can see more about Kevin Karsch on his homepage.  http://kevinkarsch.com/publications/sa11.html

 

 

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Reply #1 October 19, 2011 11:43:00 AM
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Software is nice but the art of staging a shoot for a picture is where the real talent and skill is. 

Just my personal opinion but it seems we will have a whole generation that can only do things with software.  I hope this doesn't happen. 

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Reply #2 October 19, 2011 12:24:50 PM
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Quoting Philly0381,
reply 1
Software is nice but the art of staging a shoot for a picture is where the real talent and skill is.

Amen......

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Reply #3 October 19, 2011 12:42:47 PM
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You got that right.

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Reply #4 October 19, 2011 3:42:04 PM
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Software is nice but the art of staging a shoot for a picture is where the real talent and skill is. Just my personal opinion but it seems we will have a whole generation that can only do things with software.  I hope this doesn't happen.
too fu__ing late

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Reply #5 October 20, 2011 6:53:26 PM
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Holy crap, how come no-one has said 'WOW!' yet. WOW!

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Reply #6 October 20, 2011 7:03:06 PM
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Quoting Skarny,
reply 5
Holy crap, how come no-one has said 'WOW!' yet. WOW!

The skills that once took time and effort to learn so they could be passed on to the next generation are now being cast aside soley because of the use of technology.  There are up and down sides when using technology, this happens to be one of the down sides.

That's why I didn't say wow. 

Just my two cents worth.

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Reply #7 October 20, 2011 7:31:42 PM
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Oh what a a load of grumpy old men you lot are. 

 

This is excellent work by a bright young man and I can see many new applications for this without replacing existing skills and talents. I'll be reading his papers avidly.

 

 

 

 

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Reply #8 October 20, 2011 8:00:19 PM
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Quoting TwoWolves,
reply 7
Oh what a a load of grumpy old men you lot are. 

 

This is excellent work by a bright young man and I can see many new applications for this without replacing existing skills and talents. I'll be reading his papers avidly.

 
 

I for one am old.   Might be grumpy also, how do you tell?

Being old allows one to have seen the talent and skills for lots of things to be either lost or forgotten.

This has happened not only with high technology but also with low technology.  There are lots of examples out there.

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Reply #9 October 20, 2011 10:50:46 PM
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Quoting Philly0381,
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Being old allows one to have seen the talent and skills for lots of things to be either lost or forgotten.

This has happened not only with high technology but also with low technology.  There are lots of examples out there.

Indeed:

Swords and horseshoes come to mind.

Things evolve and differentiate. It is the way of Nature as well as technology. To mourn that is futile. 

Odd how the people here are such technophobes.

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Reply #10 October 20, 2011 11:06:57 PM
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Quoting Philly0381,
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Software is nice but the art of staging a shoot for a picture is where the real talent and skill is.

AutoCAD doesn't make Architects.....

...it 'makes' Draftsmen......

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Reply #11 October 20, 2011 11:14:06 PM
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OK...who's gonna be the first brainiac to exclaim 'this is how they faked the Moon landings'? ...

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Reply #12 October 21, 2011 12:50:04 AM
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Quoting Philly0381,
reply 1
Software is nice but the art of staging a shoot for a picture is where the real talent and skill is.

Just my personal opinion but it seems we will have a whole generation that can only do things with software. I hope this doesn't happen.

 

wouldn't that be staging a pose to Paint the picture . i mean those damn cameras, one could say that would not be real talent too. compare to a painter.

all those non-talent artist that sculpt metal with the aid of 1) blow torch  2) the hammer thing they use.. the real talent is the ones that build a fire and pound it with a rock.

NOT! it is all real talent be it software or not...

 

so WOW Cool to the New technology (Software).

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Reply #13 October 21, 2011 1:14:51 AM
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Quoting BeBackSomeDay,
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the real talent is the ones that build a fire and pond it with a rock.

Fire? Luxury! All we had was warm dinosaur droppings! 

Rocks? Luxury! All we had was sun baked clay that we made from straw, water and dirt!   

 

Actually, there's no such thing as a greater, lesser, or superfluous art form... all are equally valid means of expressing creativity... just like the creativity it took to create the software.

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Reply #14 October 21, 2011 1:40:21 AM
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Quoting DrJBHL,
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Fire? Luxury! All we had was warm dinosaur droppings!

Rocks? Luxury! All we had was sun baked clay that we made from straw, water and dirt!

Damn Your O    L     D  

 

 

Quoting DrJBHL,
reply 13
Actually, there's no such thing as a greater, lesser, or superfluous art form... all are equally valid means of expressing creativity... just like the creativity it took to create the software.

That was what I was saying Just in a round about way... 

 

Quoting BeBackSomeDay,
reply 12
NOT! it is all real talent be it software or not...

 

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Reply #15 October 21, 2011 8:51:43 AM
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Quoting DrJBHL,
reply 13
Actually, there's no such thing as a greater, lesser, or superfluous art form... all are equally valid means of expressing creativity... just like the creativity it took to create the software.

Oh, I'm sure someone thinks that farting in tune to some music is an artform.  No, they're not all equal...

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Reply #16 October 21, 2011 8:53:06 AM
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And the creativity of software?...Oh, God.... Bryce is the latter day Picasso....

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Reply #17 October 21, 2011 8:55:59 AM
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When a monkey paints it's not art...it's because electric shock treatment prevented him from playing with his poo.

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Reply #18 October 21, 2011 9:05:52 AM
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Quoting Jafo,
reply 15

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 13Actually, there's no such thing as a greater, lesser, or superfluous art form... all are equally valid means of expressing creativity... just like the creativity it took to create the software.

Oh, I'm sure someone thinks that farting in tune to some music is an artform.  No, they're not all equal...

If that premise were true, yes. Since I've yet to be blessed by that experience, I'll maintain my view.

Quoting Jafo,
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And the creativity of software?...Oh, God.... Bryce is the latter day Picasso....

The software is not 'creative'. I didn't say it was. That is an attribute limited to a living intelligence... so far.

The software can be used creatively, or not. A tool is a tool. It needs to be used by a creative person who is trying to communicate in a non verbal manner.

 

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Reply #19 October 21, 2011 9:51:56 AM
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I will also retain my view or opinion, as scoffed at as it is.

 

 

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Reply #20 October 21, 2011 12:29:35 PM
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Philly, please let me tell you that I was not scoffing... I was trying to decrease the tension. I honor your opinion and even said:

Quoting DrJBHL,
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Actually, there's no such thing as a greater, lesser, or superfluous art form... all are equally valid means of expressing creativity... just like the creativity it took to create the software.

I want nothing lost.... not in photography nor any other art. The arts are what make us human. Technology can help and expand that but never supplant it.

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Reply #21 October 21, 2011 1:30:21 PM
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The software is awesome!  As one who cannot stage to save my life (I guess I am just too grounded in the hard sciences), it will be a boon.  Or not.  I still would not be able to stage the stuff in the software!

I know a great shoot when I see one.  I just cannot stage it!  But it would be fun to tinker with it.

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Reply #22 October 21, 2011 5:59:32 PM
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Nothing that proggy does hasn't been done by competent architects.  Often it's that thing refered to as "artist's impression' or in other words the manual inclusion of an as yet unbuilt structure within a photograph of its surroundings.

I've done them...I've had to do them... 'reverse engineering' an image's perspective and light-source so my design proposal can be inserted.

Planners at Council kinda like them.  One wonders, though, whether they actually know how to prove the mathematics of Perspective...or that I may be getting away with things by having a lend of reality....

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