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Dashboard vs. Konfabulator controversy continued...

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July 25, 2004 11:38:25 AM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums

For PC users, what's going on in the Mac world is of little interest. But there is a controversy going on over the latest MacOS X announcement. It includes a DesktopX-like feature called Dashboard which seems brazenly borrowed from the MacOS program called Konfabulator.

I've written a new article that talks about that and how they all compare to DesktopX  which many of you use.  You can read it at the link below...

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Reply #1 July 25, 2004 2:04:38 PM
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I find this whole thing just annoying. Instead of complaining about how Apple ripped them off, they should just make Konfabulator better then Dashboard.

The whole industry is a pissing contest to see who can piss the farthest, right now it's Apple. So come on Konfabulator, show us what you've got.

I also think they could have handled the whole Dashboard thing a little better, instead of moaning and groaning about how "evil" mac is, and "you are killing the guys who help you out". But then again, they most likely did it for PR, what better PR then to go against the mighty blue Apple.

Sorry, but this whole discussion sickens me.
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Reply #2 July 25, 2004 2:12:28 PM
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^agreed
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Reply #3 July 25, 2004 2:38:44 PM
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For me, the main issue is one of hypocrisy, not "stealing". 


ALL companies are influenced by others. It's all part of capitalism.  However, Apple has tended to take the attitude that they are uniquely innovative and seem quick to accuse others of "stealing" their ideas.

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Reply #4 July 25, 2004 2:44:33 PM
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Not to be anoying frogboy but this has been posted alot of times. But really, what can we do about it? seriously?
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Reply #5 July 25, 2004 4:24:54 PM
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Nothing. It's just something some of us customization software coders find interesting.  This is, after all, a customization site.
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Reply #6 July 25, 2004 4:35:32 PM
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It sux that we can't do anything. But this isn't a mac customization site isit
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Reply #7 July 25, 2004 5:43:41 PM
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You know, I don't even see this discussed among mac users or the normal sites anymore... the interest seems past it's expiration date. In fact after the first 2 or 3 days, it was a big yawn fest to all but those emotionally or technically involved with Konfabulator. This is the only site I visit that is still covering it ad nauseam, weeks later, and it's not even a Mac oriented site.
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Reply #8 July 25, 2004 9:36:29 PM
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Well the nice thing about owning the site is that we get to talk about the things that interest us. But more to the point, the more people who are aware of this stuff, the less of a pain in the butt we're collectively going to have to go through when Tiger gets released and the Mac zealots start fanning out over the Internet accusing Windows programs of ripping off Apple.


Mark my words: You will see Mac users claiming that programs like DesktopX, Samurize, etc. are rip offs of Dashboard.

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Reply #9 July 25, 2004 10:18:21 PM
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i'm sorry frogboy
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Reply #10 July 25, 2004 10:48:39 PM
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Umm....I think if you're gonna exile macrobaye, Frogboy, you should consider how your words would be taken on a mac-oriented site. I'm fairly certain you would be exiled as well. Quit bringing this up, since you're just kickin' a dead horse. You point has been made.

Macrobaye, I love your stuff!
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Reply #11 July 25, 2004 10:55:25 PM
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First, off, he's not exiled (despite his title). You can click on his profile just as easy as I can.


Second, let me be clear: I own the site. So if I choose to write topic after topic about llama herding or my various emu farms I'll do so.  No one forces anyone else to read it if they're not interested.

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Reply #12 July 25, 2004 10:59:07 PM
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No...but it pushes people away, and diminishes their respect of you. Makes it look like you're whining, and thats not good.

(and I know he's not exiled, otherwise he wouldnt be posting)
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Reply #13 July 25, 2004 11:08:01 PM
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Well I'm certainly sorry that you consider my publicizing the plight of some small developer on another platform to be "whining".


If there was a company that was going around and selling skins that were knock-offs of someone else's skins and it was blatant, I would "whine" about that too.


This issue may be dull or irrelevant to skinners, but it's not to software developers on any platform. And if you don't like it, you don't have to read it.  I am not trying to win some "respect" contest.  I think it is interesting, I enjoy writing about it, and I think it's the right thing to do.


And I want it also pointed out, as if it weren't obvious: I don't have a personal stake in it. I just think it's something people should know about. Just because YOU know about it doesn't mean "everyone" knows about it.  This site gets 2.8 million unique visitors each month.  You think they follow this kind of stuff? Of course not.


You don't like it or think it's boring or been covered, fine, don't read it.

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Reply #14 July 26, 2004 2:23:13 AM
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Thanks Froggy - very interesting article about Jobs' PR scheme. But like you said - Apple does it all the time.

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Reply #15 July 26, 2004 5:08:29 AM
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argh frogboy, you've made me look all evil now >
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Reply #16 July 26, 2004 6:49:25 AM
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I personaly like reading other dev's opinions on the shareware/small app world. I make bussiness apps all day and dream up small fun apps at night and I certainly wouldn't want someone rippin' off me and calling it innovative and new. At least not unless they paid me for it.

PS: Frogboy, take out your soapbox and preach, whine, moan, stand up on the bar and piss all over it...it's not my house, it's yours. Enjoy.
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Reply #17 July 26, 2004 7:23:50 AM
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