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RadialFX

Join Date 07/2001

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Very well put Brad. I agree with you and Thank you.

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I agree. Safety to all of those who are looking after OUR safety. My position happens to be...Iraq has been in violation of the cease-fire agreement almost since they signed it. Resolution 1441 was unnecessary. Furthermore, the United Nations has proven itself to be "redundant." I can think of better use of that expensive real estate in NY. Oh well, my opinion...back to browsing. psf

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People from all over the world is affected by the goings on in Iraq. Let us lean on each other in these times, pull our families together, and hold them tight. Lets pray this is over soon.

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I agree. May God bless the coalition forces and give them swift victory in the liberation of the Iraqi people from their murderous dictator.

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Frogby,
thank you for expressing those sentiments. I happen to believe that this military action is wrong at this point in time. However, we must think of the troops and all who are being affected and pray for them daily

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Amen!

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Ditto!

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I fear we are entering a new dark age in international relations which may undo what has been, with such difficulty and so tentatively, agreed in the last 50 years.

Here is a very interesting article to read.

Sunday March 16, 2003
The Observer - United Kingdom.

Deep roots of Bush's hatred for Saddam

The determination in Washington to confront Saddam goes back more than a decade. The men who are now President Bush's key advisers have long advocated regime change in Iraq. This is how their beliefs became the driving force behind the administration

Twelve years ago, in the aftermath of the first Gulf war, the two men who would become the key players in driving the US towards a second war against Iraq sat down to collect their thoughts. They were Dick Cheney, now Vice-President of the United States, and Paul Wolfowitz, presently Deputy Secretary for Defence.
What they wrote would form the basis of US policy today.

For the full story:
http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,914925,00.html

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DavidK

Join Date 03/2001

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Well said Brad, indeed let's hope the confict is as short as possible.

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Whatever the outcome, I have an ill feeling that things in America in terms of foregin relations and such... will never be the same. >

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People have a fundamental right to choose their own government by means of democracy. It's good that the Iraqi civilians will finally be able to choose their own leaders when the whole operation is over.

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Welcome to to Oil War of the 21th century !!! >

Why attacking iraq ?
-> There is an hundred other countries with dictators , a lot as more armed and more dangerous that sadam who was being disarmed by UN !
-> USA has just 10 years oil stock
-> 90% of the administration have worked into big oil corporation such as Enron (the Hawks)
-> Iraq is the second biggest oil stock after... Saudi Arabia

-> SO why by so urged to do war ?
-> With all the money spend to do this -> why we don't put 1000 inspectors or more and continue in a way where Sadam was destructing his own arms !
-> Why not letting them 6 months more, with all the inspectors and satellite which watching them, Iraq can do nothing (and all the american & british army) !

-> 75% of the people (and states) of the world, 50% of the americans are against, USA discredit them and don't listen just a word or an idea of them.

I'm so angry and sad... It's a shame for USA & UK !
You will say i'am an anti-american, no I'm totaly anti-bush-administration, anti-TonyBlair

-> Turc parliament is not for sale, even if it is 26 billions $
-> It was the biggest demonstrations in London since World War II, but Blair discredit it...
-> Colin Powell lie to UN council by presenting false proof (satellite photo). Like in the Gulf War when USA present false photo to Saudi Arabia to unload the army on their territory.

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and sorry fo my english and yes i'm French...

Sylvio

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what a great story thank you spurl2

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i agree with you

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I am not for war. Who in their right mind is? I will still support the troops over there. Oil war? If France was really wanting peace, they would not have said they would veto any new resolution. They should have been willing to look at anything. France has oil interests in Iraq. They were protecting their interests. If they didn't have interests in Iraq, they might have look at the situation in a different light. In my opinion, France forced the US hand with the veto. I am not against the French but I am tired of people always attacking my country and accusing us of something. Take a look at your own country.

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I don't say France have not interest in Iraq, it's true there is on oil company and maybe it is why Chirac doesn't want this war. I don't like Chirac a lot too. But I agree what he said.

After Gulf war, the was embargo, i don't comment it...
Then there was the food oil exchange.
Then some company were implented in Iraq, Sadam doesn't want US company, it is right, i can understand him because US was in war against him.
I'm totaly aigainst dictators like Sadam.

But, because US has no interest in Iraq, because USA has only 10 years of oil stock, because Iraq has 100 years stock at least... There is a war.

Before Irak attack kuwait in 90's, US army was in gulf some month ago. They do the war to protect their interest in Kuwait.

Since some months US army was in gulf... I know their will be a war since some month...
They don't want a pacific way, they want to control Iraq just to install oil company in a "country of liberty" (= without Sadam) which permit them to do it.

UN & many countries know that. And then they say "No, we don't want this war", we don't want the control of USA over the world policies just for oil. Iraqi men were killed in 90's.
Then 50% of Iraqi have less than 15 years old !
Sadam gives all people over ~12 years old guns and put them on the front... Who will US army killed ? Sadam or this children ?
Today we know some american and british soldier were killed ? Then I supposed that some of these Iraqi were killed too. But no people know how many are being killed at this time in the desert.

American doesn't know a lot about it, because patriots american just listen Bush saying "trust me, i will protect you against the demon and blablabla... god bless america (and go bless the others ?)".

Bush is an Hawk... Bush just want oil... Bush say he will protect america... Bush attack Iraq... Bush will install a American governement for 6 month in Iraq (and why not a UN governement ??)... American oil corporation will come back in Irak...

Arab people hate more and more america, they are not stupid, they know what want america. They are fed up to be killed, to have war, to be poor, for their oil...

Terrorism is an easy way... sadam is not bin laden... but bin laden is still here. Bush know the risk, but he prefer oil. It is the way, he protect you. And a big part of american don't see that. And it is dangerous for Europe too, we are close from middle-east.

I don't attack america, I'm with american who prefer Iraqi than oil,
i'm with arab people too.
I hate Bush, Blair, Sadam, Sharon and Poutine.

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And please give some bretzel to M. Bush :
http://www.bretzelforbush.com

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If it was about oil, folks, we could have just declared war on Kuwait or Saudi Arabia and taken all their oil fields since we were
already there in force. That way there wouldn't have been any oil fields on fire that would take months, and possibly lives, to put
out and have been enviornmental nightmares.

Here are some links to the reasons we are in Iraq right now.

Iraq's tortured children - BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/2058253.stm

See men shredded, then say you don't back war - Times
Online http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-614607,00.html

The Iraqi connection (to 9/11) - UK Guardian http://www.observer.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,591439,00.html

IRAQ Systematic torture of political prisoners - Amnesty International http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/print/MDE140082001?OpenDocument

UK Govt dossier decribes torture, rape and killing in Iraq - The New Zealand Herald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3007499&thesection=news&thesubsection=world

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Anthony R

Join Date 01/2003

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I think the Bush administration is right and i hope the threat of Saddam is removed with as few innocent lives lost as possible.

In regard to the french They rejected any final resolution even before saddam did. Who are the French to dictate or lecture about foriegn policy The British and American forces saved thier deriares in ww2.

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Thank you Halster and Sandra. With people like Spurl2 in the world you can see why things are the way they are. These are the kinds of people that see events like 9/11 and say 'we need peace' & 'its Americas fault that this has happend'. How many times do we need to take a punch (USS Cole, embassy attacks, 1st WTC attacks) before we say enough and fight back.
Only an idiot would think that the inspectors are doing any good. Only an idiot would think that more diplomacy would help. What the hell do you think has been going on for the last 12 years, let alone the last 18 months.
I am glad we finally has a leader like President Bush who is willing to do what is right. I am glad he went ahead even without the UN. The UN is useless, 12 years of Saddam torturing his own people and countries like France breaking sanctions prove that.
The US was attacked. The President laid it out on 9/20. You are with us or you are against us. Maybe we should have waited til Saddam rolled through Paris like Hitler did.
Ohh, thats right - Saddam would not do that because Iraq and France are friends. France after all has been buying oil from Iraq against UN sanctions. France also built nuclear reactors for our buddy Saddam.

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I have a couple things to say:
1. He's President, we're not . . . we put him in office whether each of us specifically voted for him or not . . . we MUST trust His leadership. No matter how much we think we know about everything surrounding the situation in Iraq, our President and his intelligence know more than we do.
2. Prayer changes things. I'm a firm believer that God holds the world in His Hand and He knows exactly what's going on. Belief and faith in Jesus Christ and the ability to have answered prayer (Mark 11:24, James 5:16) make a difference in the lives of those at home and those in the midst of war.

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Speaking as an Army and Gulf War vet, I find it amazing that someone could say they are "against" what the US & Brittan are doing in Iraq, but "Support" the troops over there. I don't know of any job that makes you feel supported when people say they hate what you are doing. (Ask the IRS about that). Those people need to feel what they are doing is of value. That is the greatest level of support we can give them. If someone can not do that then don't insult our troops by saying you support them, rather say you don't blame them, that would be closer to the truth.

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The people who claim to this war is about taking over Iraq and stealing oil tend to be the least informed about the situation. Every anti-war person I have seen speak does not at all seem to have the facts straight or don't know the facts in the first place. They are just against war in Iraq because they are against all wars. They live in a dream world were world peace can be gained by joining hands and singing "Give Peace a Chance".

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I support our troops. I support our President. I am so proud of our armed forces. God bless America. God bless our armed forces. God bless President Bush. God Bless our Vets.
We just had a 'peace' rally here in Cleveland and this one peacenik made it into todays paper. This guy is a member of the american communist group and his statement to the reporter was 'the only army we should support is the one that is against this government'. People were arrested for getting violent and damaging property. This is who these peaceniks are.
We also had a 'support our troops' rally. Thousands showed up. Patriotic music was played. No one got arrested. No one got hurt. Nothing was vandalized.

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