What I'm really looking for is a way to get a clock in the same bar as my sys tray.

This will give you an idea of what my setup is (although I changed my main dock up a bit):
http://www.cywh.com/pc.jpg

Bascially I was a space after the last sys tray icon, and then the clock, in the same box. Would be nice to use the same application.



Thanks, I'll take a look at that.

[quote]Not following . . sorry.

Basically when you have a shortcut in "the dock" and you have the option on to show a triangle when that app is running. This mimics OS X behavior... However, in OS X an application shows up in the dock when it's running even though you haven't added it. When the app closes it dissaperes from the dock if you haven't added it. While it's running you have to option in the context menue to "Keep in Dock" or "Remove from Dock". The dock is supposed to be a place to launch applications, but also see all running applications. And this happens whether there's a window for it or not.

Obviosly not all apps show up like system programs. For object dock you could have an exclusion list to keep certain apps from showing up in the dock. Currently I think it uses the task bar to see if an app is running rather than using the process list... I'm fairly sure it does because Trillian, which immediately goes to the sys tray, does not show up as running until an active window shows up.



That could be - it was happening mostly with the web browser.



I've used windows for 10 years, and I've only been using Mac for the last 2. I know how to use a right click, and right clicking the OS X dock does exactly the same thing as hold-clicking. It's just that some functions feel more natrual as a hold-click... Like closing programs: I hold click the icon and choose "Quit" (last item) and all I have to do is let go - one click. Don't thing it would be too hard to implement. Just another way of doing it ..

Also having "Close" as an option in the context menu would be nice... A lot of these don't seem to have a close option in the context menu? I suppose this is because the icon can represent multiple instances of a program? Funny thing is in OS X if you have multiple instances you have multiple icons... But it's rare that you ever have multiple instances of the same program.. Just one instance with multiple windows of that process... That's why I think it should be based of process list instead of what's in the task bar...



Yeah I believe I saw an option where it would bring that instance to the foreground instead of creating a new one. But as I said, explorer.exe is very unpredictable with this... It would be cool if you could turn this on/off for individual icons if you needed to.

That's something completely different. That's showing each window in the task bar whether it's minimized or not, similar to how the windows task bar functions. What I'm talking about is more like how the OS X doc functions: When an application you've added as a shortcut is running, an indicator shows up saying that program is running (object does does this). But OS X also shows the icon when it's running even if you don't have that icon added as a shortcut. While it's there you have the option to "Keep in dock". You don't have to hunt for the shortcut if you want to add it if it's already running. If you've got a ton of windows open, you don't want a ton of icons on your dock. You just want the windows minimized, and a single icon per active application. Doing it this way you have far less in the "dock" than you do with the task bar. I guess maybe it doesn't make sense without an app like Reflex Vision to augment the dock.