It originated from another thread...You are not going nuts  

Oops I just crashed the train....

elvee runs and clears head from thread...too much reading at one time.

Fourth...VStyler, you are a great artist with great heart! Thank you for what you do and dont listen to the haters!

Ya know, it's bad enough this thread turned as ugly as it did. What's worse is it's carrying over into other threads.....

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I gave you your answer already sublime...hope you saw it before it was removed.

Sublime has apologized and asked that I clean up his posts.  Please excuse any discontinuities.

So, a master and another person get together, make a suite, offer the WB section for sale and the rest free and we have a Community Skin?

Bizarre.....this is sure a convolution of what I always thought about a Community Skin. My bad I guess.

I'm not 100% sure OUR opinions or definitions of "community skin" matters. What matters is the definition set by WC admin. Whether it's 2 or 20, if they want to call it a community skin, well... I think that would be their right.

Does it really matter that 100 people weren't involved, or that public invites weren't posted? If so, why? Does it make people feel left out? How many of you would have said anything about this had Kitty not started this thread? Were some of you waiting with bated breath, hoping someone else would broach this topic so you could jump in on either side of the fence?

Everyone got so worked up over the definiton of the word community that most of you forgot what a community really was.......

Here's 2 cents worth. In all this no one gave a discription of community, From Webster: common ownership • they shared a community of possessions, dosn't say one part can't be forsale and the other part free. Can't we all just gey along   

Having a differing opinion should not be construed as "not getting along". There is no hostility on this end for sure. Just for the point, common ownership and personal property are two different things. To sell something you must own it first or if you own it is common, you must get everyone's agreement to sell. I always viewed Community Skins as skins made as a combined effort by the community as a gift for the community. Only my view, certainly not a written WC description but one I think was shared by many. If that has evolved into a pair of folks making a suite and selling the core element (WB) then so be it. It certainly will not change my life one way or the other. I do think that it is a the very least a notable change as the for sale skin world continues to evolve. BTW, I have supported the masters program since its beginning.

There is no big deal in my book....just a discussion....

I wasn't gonna bring any of this up. I'm tired of getting beat up. But since it it's out here as it were..

Part of me says WC should back off on mentioning 'Maxstyles' if it's going to call it a community skin. BUT...I understand the trade off in promoting each others sites, etc. And people 'outside' of Maxstyles did contribute. My problem with it is having to 'pay' for a 'community' skin. It does seem odd. I also look at (and maybe this just complicates the whole debate) the fact that the Harmony WB was pushed as a premium skin on DA with a link to MaxStyles and sold on MaxStyles...before...it was available here. One 'could' look at the 'community' involvement as getting a bunch of folks to contribute their time and talent to help sell a skin. I don't know that a free version of it would be appropriate compensation considering what would or could actually be taken in on the WB alone, but I understand that that is each persons decision and choice.

I think the Easter skin and the Halloween skins that Avman organized are true community skins. Though WC says that White Fire is 'mostly the MaxStyles crew' efforts, I can live with calling it a community skin. But 'Harmony'...I personally feel (and strongly) that if any piece of it is being sold, it should not be called a community skin.

Ok....here's my personal opinion on this whole deal.

In my opinion...a "community skin" would be something that is announced as such in a way that "everyone knows" about it before its released...not after. Then...everyone has a chance to create and submit something...and as long as what it is thats created matches the skin it could/would be excepted/included with said "community skin."

To date...the only "community skins" that I have been aware of were/are HeavyMetal & Avman's Halloween skin. These were both "announced" in a public way to the "community" here at WinCustomize...at which point everyone was able to at least consider creating or contributing something to these skins...not necessarily guaranteeing that every contribution would be accepted/included with the skin...only as long as the contribution matched the skin.

Now....if a group of skinners get together and create something...which is perfectly fine...without announcing "in a public way" to "the whole community"...not just a comment in a forum thread that more than likely everyone won't see...that there is a community skin being created...thereby giving everyone in the community the chance to consider contributing something to it...I would consider that a "group project"...not a community skin...especially when the skin is being sold...which again is perfectly fine...but I would not consider that to be a "community skin." A community created skin...in my opinion would be something that would be created by the community and free to the whole community...not sold to the community.

From what I've read here...every skin that has ever been created...that has had someone other than the original creator add something to the skin is now/has been consider a community skin?

I think there needs to be a clearer definition of "community skins" and "group projects." One reason I say this is because I consider myself very much a part of this "community" but was completely unaware there was a community skin/skins in the works. It was only after the skins were released that I was aware of this.

And just to be clear here...I'm not angry/hurt/bothered by this at all...I have enough projects going on myself at the moment creating docks. I'm just saying that there needs to be a clearer definition of what a "community skin" is versus a "group project." I think if it had been called a "group project" skin that is being sold rather than a "community skin" that is being sold...nobody would have batted an eye at this.

So...shoot me if you must...but I can see why Kitty might have been confused by this whole thing.

Exactly the point I was trying make earlier, Po.

Does anyone remember the skin Gabriel made (Glassteel) and asked for volunteers to contribute? It was given freely to everyone. I consider that a community skin

How about Project Onyx? It was a group project that didn't openly ask for volunteers but was also given away freely. I consider that a community skin as well, although I do see the difference from Glassteel in how it was started in regards to participation.

As kenwas said, it just seems a bit wonky if a Master and one other skinner get together, create say a Windowblind and a DX object and sell them and it is called a community skin.