Moderators, read here! » Forum Post by sublime187

Upside down?

Maybe a bat-er-fly, then....

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It could have been backwards, making it a ... flutterby

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Xiandi

Join Date 07/2007

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I have to say I was a bit surprised to find that it was hung upside down.

Any chance of posting the pic here?? I'd love to see it.

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HG_Eliminator

Join Date 07/2002

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theres a lot of bat-er-Fly's in Ausie land ?

DA???? I rarely go there for walls as im looking for "daily use" wallpapers, not pictures of grannys teeth in a jar. while in retrospect it may be art.. it's not something most users would want as a wallpaper...

WC strives to maintain a library of PC usable wallpapers. thus Photo's of a cat goin poo and jimbobs's barn dance etc, are rejected.

Only photos that are deemed Usable PC wallpaper are allowed in and those are far and few between..

the Mods and Masters are thus for a reason, they have served the time and know the score..I trust their judgment and decisions as I have rarely been disappointed in the quality of the WP section.

Of thousands of Photo manipulations/renderings I have on my PC, I have 3 in the gallery that were worthy of being Walls, and if asked by a Master or Mod to remove them I would gladly. their Opinions I hold in that highest regard..

I hope this enlightens your thinking on the Walls section and its moderation...

Sincerely HG

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Po - that has now been investigated and removed.

Anyone can contact a moderator if there's a problem, either by e-mail or PM.

Last night I had a PM from someone at 10:50 regarding a rip. I picked up the message at 10:52, did some investigating (wasn't hard to do...) and at 10:55 the item was gone and an e-mail sent to the uploader.

Moderating can be that efficient

Fuzzy, want another job. I hear DA have some openings

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geeze luize i go to get outta the house for tha day and i come back and see this!!! this is too much lol im laughin my frigging eyeballs out! i guess this is a touchy subject after all!

-----i am not saying that a moderators opinion isnt right i just meant it shouldnt count because the likings,, dislikings of a few (im shure moderators take up about 10% of WC populace,,, so a few) could jeopordise how many people see it and decide for themselves imean its kinda like and advertizing strategy:::: you put it in mainstrean view, therefor you can (figuratively speaking) throw your lure into everyones face and see if they take it or leave it!
well thats the way i think it should be....

------ im not that upset about it, im just trying to see if other people have my opinions about it.....imean i am a subscriber! if i didnt like this site, you all would have shouted "man overboard" about a half a decade ago!

-----I would use my art,it may not be filled with heavy shading techniques,or have glossy, transparent qualities, but in my views, art is art there is no right nor wrong, bad or good, detail is the only differential that is a passable judgement in detering anyones art. and even that is just a view from someones point. its not bad if it has less detail than the next one! am i right...or was i born yesterday?

bottom line is im ok if my art is unpopular! i guess im just a show off whoes lightly bummed out because he cant show everyone what he has made, like a little kid would be!

Thx eveyone for your say! please keep commenting on if you want! i still read every forum or topic i post!

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HG_Eliminator

Join Date 07/2002

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DA is a "Art" site that caters to Desktop customization as well....there fore most forms of art are readily accepted..IE photos etc..

WC is Strictly a "Desktop customization" site which caters to specific Art that is well suited for PC customization..hence most traditional art like photos and such are in small quantity..

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vStyler

Join Date 11/2004

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Hey Kenwas, I'm sure a fair share of people might have been fooled into thinking a couple of your walls were real.. awesome work.

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(im shure moderators take up about 10% of WC populace,,, so a few)

There's never been more than around a dozen or so 'moderators'....whereas the current number of registered Wincustomize.com Members is nudging 3 million ....[will likely pass that before the end of the year].... so the percentage won't be 'quite' 10 ....

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It is a rare moderator that moves "main gallery worthy" skin to personal pages. Skins that are . . questionable . . are tossed about between moderators until a consensus is built. Skins can be appealed. PM a mod you like who might like your work. Ask why they think it was sent to your personal site. Listen to what they say. Who knows, they may just make it public.

If you get a bad initial rating from a moderator, it will change based on the community. They are the real power here.

As far as seeing what other people think . . . this topic comes up every now and again. And good points are made for no moderation. Those points are valid at other sites. I's just one of the things that members here acceot or move on. I think, for the new and regular members . . it's a value add to only see the best very best WC can offer on the main gallery. It also gives new artists something to strive for. The same goes for Island Dog's Pick of the week and pick of the montf (in dreams).

but in my views, art is art there is no right nor wrong, bad or good

This isn't an art site as HG pointed out. Some art (most art) does not make good wallpaper. More art-for-art is acceptable as bootskins (where the user doesn't have to interact with the canvas (the same is true to a lesser degree with logons).

In any case . . keep skinning. Do what you like and you may either get better or develop a following that likes what you do. As long as you enjoy making them. it's all good. --From this post (not exactly your theme . . but we've been here before

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Lantec

Join Date 07/2003

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Any chance of posting the pic here?? I'd love to see it.

I uploaded to my WC photo pages. Note that I uploaded it right-side-up. Warning for dial-up it's 1.9 mb

WWW Link

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Xiandi

Join Date 07/2007

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That's beautiful!
I even flipped the pic to see what they were seeing. It works both ways...and sideways too!

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OK THEN ROUGHLY, (i shouldnt ever try to use percentages because then people get technical) there are more people that arent moderators on this site and i never said photos were art, photos are a persons perspective strictly! i guess i wasnt born yesterday, i was born 2 hours ago appearently!
your right HG Eliminator! this is a site that caters to desktop customs!

no matter if its photos or art, as long as it is photos or art, its ok to use as desktop customizing paraphenalia! it could be a friggin audio snippit for Ch***t sake!
its still desktop customizing isnt it??

also it doesnt have to have an interactive canvas...if i wanted to, i can use part of some ART i make, like say if i use a photo of one of my hand drawn pencil sketches...i could use that to make a skin!! i already did! its not anywere close to being finished but its possible! so far i can say that i do a lot of drawings and i do free hand pecil sketching very well way better than i do rendering/freehand on a computer by far!

if i shall customize my desktop with hand drawn art that has been translated into PNG, TGF, JPEG or whatever files with multiple frames for animation, it certainly can be usefull if not nice to the eyes...OR both!

desktop customization isnt confined to CG or 3D rendering, vector or any other non natural or electronic in or of origin.... i dont see any statement anywere on WC saying that art isnt recognized or is not welcome

but like i said i was born two hours ago what do i know lol

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ohh also, none of my current wall papers in my gallery are photos! i am no good with cameras!

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It is a rare moderator that moves "main gallery worthy" skin to personal pages. Skins that are . . questionable . . are tossed about between moderators until a consensus is built. Skins can be appealed. PM a mod you like who might like your work. Ask why they think it was sent to your personal site. Listen to what they say. Who knows, they may just make it public.

If you get a bad initial rating from a moderator, it will change based on the community. They are the real power here.

As far as seeing what other people think . . . this topic comes up every now and again. And good points are made for no moderation. Those points are valid at other sites. I's just one of the things that members here acceot or move on. I think, for the new and regular members . . it's a value add to only see the best very best WC can offer on the main gallery. It also gives new artists something to strive for. The same goes for Island Dog's Pick of the week and pick of the montf (in dreams).

but in my views, art is art there is no right nor wrong, bad or good

This isn't an art site as HG pointed out. Some art (most art) does not make good wallpaper. More art-for-art is acceptable as bootskins (where the user doesn't have to interact with the canvas (the same is true to a lesser degree with logons).

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i have a pretty good rating on all of them initially ..2 star rating on every single one! i dont think thats bad at all cosidering im a Novice wall paper renderer!

i hate to sound cold but how can i tell which moderator likes my work????? i Will NOT go around askin people if they like my work... i will ask for help occasionally, but even then i rather do all this on my own......i wanna go to bed! goodnite all!

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kenwas

Join Date 04/2003

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Hey Kenwas, I'm sure a fair share of people might have been fooled into thinking a couple of your walls were real.. awesome work.

Thank you! I would have to live in a really strange place or be able to fly to get those shots though!

I keep reading that this isn't an art site, but in the next breath, skinners are referred to as artists (which they certainly are). It really is a site for art that relates to customization and any tools or mediums that achieve that end are welcomed it would seem to me.

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WOM

Join Date 01/2002

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i hate to sound cold but how can i tell which moderator likes my work?????

You can start by seeing if any mod gives you a good comment on your work.

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kenwas

Join Date 04/2003

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Of thousands of Photo manipulations/renderings I have on my PC, I have 3 in the gallery that were worthy of being Walls, and if

The differentiation was between 3D renders and photo-manips. Totally different animals. There are no 3D renders in your gallery. Your use of the / confuses the terms.

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PoSmedley

Join Date 04/2005

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You can start by seeing if any mod gives you a good comment on your work.

I've gotten very few comments on my work by actual mods. The coolest thing that happened was in IRC chat. A Stardock/WC employee whom I never heard from before PM'd me and said they wish they could get my autograph. Then they posted a link. It was to a wall I had done over a year ago. THAT was cool. Oh, the wallpaper was the first official 'Troll Thumping Day' wall.

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Phoon

Join Date 10/2001

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wish they could get my autograph

Doesn't Skinhit constantly follow you around with pen and pad begging for your enlightenment?

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ShelbyGT_The_Car

Join Date 01/2004

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Not to say I do not wish this to happen to you Kenwas... But I'm sure you remember "Xoxroth" from Bloody olé England. A very well known and I must say great 3D artist. His work can be viewed here
WWW Link
Which got so good at doing these 3d works of art! He moved on to selling his work and stop posting here at Wincustomize.
I do also remember when Xoxroth first started posting at this site. At first they where not accepted. Then after a short while things got recognized and his postings where placed up on the site. Sure would be nice to see him back here posting again. Got to famous and has a better place now I assume.
Moderation here has always been a issue with art-works of many different values. Any member must accept the fact that he/she does not have the right {or that is "own"} to make their works be posted. The site has to be moderated for the simple reason. It is a site for windows customizations. A lot has been written and discussed on this subject to the end result being..."this is what it is". Fortunately members here do have their place to post photos to their own website. Which is inside of this main site. Being recognized is a whole different matter though. It is always good for any artist to just post other works with notes or that is links to his/her photos section. This makes it nice for you and your personal friends. Plus the fact that other visitors who have the ability to view your site. Will also take notice of your photos.
I think it is a good offering for members to take advantage of this. But it always seems we want and want more than we have.
The other ways to posting photos is to build and present your own space here on the web. With a site such as my space or the like.
The moderations here are fair to the site and to the members. We have to realize that things are made to work for the proper reasons. "Oh and I'm sure you are going to see someone else that passed the moderations to get their photo posted!" If this is what you really want ... then just keep trying with better works for the proper posting. With lots of patience and time... with the right post {artwork}! You will get a photo worth the posting posted to the gallery.
But keep this in mind... making a big fuss about it is going to get the negative reaction from members and that of the moderators for this website. You can not make these people bend the rules for your wishes. But you can act correctly and be noticed for what is a good work of art here. Give it a try and just have more patience.

Oh and Kenwas..~! Your getting to good at what you do~!~!!!...

SGT

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I've gotten very few comments on my work by actual mods.

Po...I like a goodly proportion of your stuff.....more as graphics/art than something I'd grab as a wall.

I like Nuvem's work for similar reasons...[few are my cup of tea as walls go...but many are some of the best digi-art you'll likely find ANYWHERE on the net]...

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ok.. after reading all of this the only conclusion I can come to is that there should be a butt-load of walls that are in personal pages. my question is this: How to I find them? or how do they find mine? I just uploaded the wall to go with the skin I've been working on. The skin is going slowly, but the wall was easy so I figured I'd go ahead a post it. It was approved and put on my personal page. Was a little confused about that since I KNOW I did NOT check the "load to personal page only" box, but now I know why its there. so once again how do I know something new has been loaded by someone I don't know but may have just posted the very thing I've been looking for? are member pages included in the results if I search for a wall?
I'm loading stuff to share,if its stuck in my personal page how are others going to find it unless I run to the forums and post "LOOK WHAT I DID!!" like a 5 year old every time?

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For personal pages, it's just like if you had your own site somewhere, you'll just need to promote it. As you spend more time on the site, more people will become familair with you and your work, and often they'll just go directly to your site instead of browsing the galleries.

Even for skinners whose work goes into the public gallery, many of them I just browse via the personal page because it's easier to find their stuff that way.

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Personal pages (ranked with photos)

Add a sig to your page on your posts (something tasteful

)
Add a link to all your submissions so that those that make the main gallery direct users to your personal site
Submit to other sites with a link to WC

Jeez I'm ranked way down there (#170).
And how odd that only NetBadger stands between Skinhit and Po'

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