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HD Sata and HD IDE.., could they work...?

August 16, 2006 3:51:32 PM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums
hi everyone!

i'm about to buy a new sata HD, but i already have two HD with connection IDE(you know.., the normal slow HD, with the big cable that says master and slave), and i was asking my self that if it is possible to have a sata HD and a IDE HD at the same time in the same computer? how does the CPU will know which one is the slave and which one the master HD? and about this Sata HD, it's a good speed 7200 of buffer(becouse i saw one with 10000, but it is way too expensive )?

I need your help before i buy something...

thankx!
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Reply #1 August 16, 2006 4:33:58 PM
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You can have SATA and IDE drives in the same PC at the same time, as long as you have separate IDE and SATA headers on you motherboard, or a SATA controller PCI card. SATA drives use a completely different interface as well as different data and power cables.
You can't have a SATA drive on an IDE channel, or vice-versa, which is what it sounds like you are asking.
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Reply #2 August 16, 2006 4:59:35 PM
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Actually, with these converters you can connect ide drives to sata headers or sata drives to ide headers.


IDE to S-ATA converter: Link

S-ATA to IDE converter: Link
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Reply #3 August 16, 2006 5:40:10 PM
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HEY TYCUS: I have a total of 3 HDs on my PC. 2= IDE 1=SATA, and room for one more SATA. I just got a SATA PCI card and it works great. Also I know that the 10000rpm drive cost…….but let me tell you it’s worth it if you want you PC to run at top speed. I have the WD 80gig RAPTOR and it is awesome.
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Reply #4 August 16, 2006 5:56:44 PM
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yes but the converters defeat the purpose of adding a SATA to your system [they cut the data transfer rate of 1.5 GB to 133mb or less]That is why SATA drives are faster they transfer more info per sec than IDE.If you have a bundled comp.[e-machine, HP,Compaq]normally you cant use a SATA, but most custom box's or INTEL boards will take a SATA drive  Hope that clears it up and helps you Tycus.And yes you can use both though it kind of defeats the purpose of a faster drive [SATA]Acronis.com has a utility [15 or 30 day trial]that will copy your whole system from IDE drive to SATA drive in about 10mins .Works great i used it when i made the jump to SATA and tell ya i will never go  back 
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Reply #5 August 16, 2006 5:58:55 PM
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good to know that, SIXX21! right now i have two IDE HD of 75 GB(each one), and it seems that my motherboard has the connections for IDE and Sata, here is a pic of it(i'll close the two connections in a red circle):


It's a Intel D865PERL


But how can i make that the Sata HD became the primary hard disk(master) and the Ide HD into the secondary hard disk(slave)?
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Reply #6 August 16, 2006 6:00:49 PM
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Yes i agree i have a WD74gb raptor 10,000rpm and speed difference is very noticable [seek 4 milli sec opposed to 8 or higher with most drives IDE or SATA]
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Reply #7 August 16, 2006 6:05:54 PM
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When you boot your PC it should give you an option to enter you BIOS setup utility…..I think it will be under boot/hard disk drives, this will let you select the hard drive you want to boot form.
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Reply #8 August 16, 2006 6:06:23 PM
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i have the intel 865 GBF it easy you just have to go into the bios and pick drive to boot from SATA drive get you have to put a jumper in the drive [ to tell it SATA 1 or 2 ]that board is same mine SATA 1
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Reply #9 August 16, 2006 6:07:08 PM
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I don’t think that Master/Slave applies to SATA HD
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Reply #10 August 16, 2006 6:08:24 PM
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WD74gb raptor 10,000rpm


My bad  
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Reply #11 August 16, 2006 6:10:31 PM
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Works great i used it when i made the jump to SATA and tell ya i will never go back


Me Too  
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Reply #12 August 16, 2006 6:12:43 PM
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NO its not master or slave it is to set the transfer rate to 1.5 0R 3.0 depending on the drive some are SATA 1 some ARE SATA 2 i went through it but he gets a WD there 1-800 num is very helpful they will walk you right through it
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Reply #13 August 16, 2006 6:16:42 PM
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What will happen if dosn't use the jumper[it comes one]some boards will not pick it up even it is plugged in
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Reply #14 August 16, 2006 6:18:24 PM
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THey are awsome arent they  [boot time 20sec not counting login ]
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Reply #15 August 16, 2006 6:19:07 PM
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I don’t think that Master/Slave applies to SATA HD


I was just telling TYCUS that I don’t think that Master/Slave applies to SATA  
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Reply #16 August 16, 2006 6:20:57 PM
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THey are awsome arent they [boot time 20sec not counting login ]


Yea they sure do away with the need for a bootscreen….It’s never shows for more than 2 sec  
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Reply #17 August 16, 2006 6:22:55 PM
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is there a big difference between those SATA 1 and 2?

i also see that kind of HD but the SATA 1 says that has 80GB and the SATA 2 has 120GB.., both of them cost almost the same(dont know why.., SATA 1 cost like $60.9 dollars and the SATA 2 says that it cost $79.9 dollars)...

i'll give the web site, but you will need to translate it with this other site:

Translator: WWW Link

Store's web site(2): http://www.pcdomino.com/Computers/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=domino&Product_Code=WD800JD

http://www.pcdomino.com/Computers/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=domino&Product_Code=WDHD1200JS&Category_Code=WDIG
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Reply #18 August 16, 2006 6:29:22 PM
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Heres WD web page WWW Link
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Reply #19 August 16, 2006 6:33:12 PM
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right now there is not much difference between the 2 it all depends on your setup .One trans. UP TO 1.5 GB [SATA1] and one trans UP TO 3.0GB[SATA2]when i say transfers up to 1.5 gb thats what it can transfer with the right setup [CPU_MB]most SATA trans around 70mb i would just sugget the SATA1 for you 10000rpm if you can afford it try Tigerdirect
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Reply #20 August 16, 2006 6:34:39 PM
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I think I would make my choice basis on 1=seek times 2=cache 3= rpm
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Reply #21 August 16, 2006 6:35:36 PM
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i would just sugget the SATA1 for you 10000rpm


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Reply #22 August 16, 2006 6:36:19 PM
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yea 180 isn't bad got mine for 110 onsale at best buy just got to shop around
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Reply #23 August 16, 2006 6:38:26 PM
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the raptor 74gb 10000 wil run both 1 or 2 most all will just have to use the jumper i was telling about
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Reply #24 August 16, 2006 7:18:13 PM
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I have 4 of the Raptor 150 Gb. drives. They're 10,000 rpms. but only SATA 1. However, because of the 16 Mb of cache I find they are faster than SATA 2 drives.
If you want a great drive get one of these.




Like I said I have four hooked up to the my onboard Intel RAID in a RAID 0 (Striped) configuration.

The hard drive: Link

The motherboard: Link

Needless to say, in a RAID 0 data transfer in incredibly fast.
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Reply #25 August 16, 2006 8:06:28 PM
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ok then.., thank u guys! all of you gave me a good help at this!
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