PC vs. Mac

BlueDev

Join Date 12/2003

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PC vs. Mac

-or- the suit vs. the slacker

By now, I am sure most of us have seen the new round of Mac vs. PC commercials. You know, the one with the middle age, sort of uptight looking, fuddy-duddy dude in a suit representing a PC, and the young, hip, cool, laid-back dude in old jeans and a T-shirt representing a Mac.

I have seen a couple of variations, but they all focus on the same thing. They all are trying to convey the same message: Macs are just cool and "work", whereas PCs are out of touch, laborious and problematic. Of course, I find it odd that so much of the advertising lately is on the hardware (considering I am typing this entry on my Windows laptop with Intel Core Duo processors, an pretty nice ATI graphics card, more RAM than a Mac Book and a larger HD than a Mac Book, at easily a few hundred dollars lower cost).

Nevertheless, I am not a Mac hater. In fact, I fully anticipate owning a Mac someday, when I can afford to have one IN ADDITION to my Windows computers. But I have to admit, I really don't care for these new ads. They just seem like such a faulty use of details, that honestly, I think they are embarrassing. In that spirit I share the following (sorry, can't paste the image myself as it is not mine and I don't have permission to be pasting it):

An alternative comparison between PC dude and Mac dude.

I found this quite entertaining.

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Who ever claims that internet was made on a pc , i still have my NeXT, and its a shame they woulnt do more. Steve jobs is a complete genious.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=6cABKoCUZpA&search=NeXT%20Macintosh%20Mac%20OSX%20Steve%20Jobs

LOLL LOL LOL LOL LOL, of course its not a real ad but its fun

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=37qEFucBxzs&search=windows%20crash
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kbj8kMvQDfI&search=windows%20crash

for windows lovers (not all true, but mac its not perfect)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jR_p82_w-2I&search=mac%20crash

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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Does that mean you will have to hate yourself?

No more than usual

but I am concerned that typing a forum post on a Mac might bring out the worst in me when commenting on PC's.....and visa versa.

Right now the worst only comes out when I think of my first wife...

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ZubaZ

Join Date 11/2001

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Right now the worst only comes out when I think of my first wife...

I have tried (successfully) not to think of your first wife (for the same reasons) for years. Thanks to you and your last post . . . I have failed.

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Come on! This is like the fax machine makers would to say "e-mail? Never mind!! Fax macine is better!!!".
There is a reality: You could to have a super PC with 4 GB Ram... 8 processors, 512 Mb Video Ram... but the OS will be the same Windows XP. It don't come with any photo editor, video camera incorporated, music editor software, Dock bar, wheather gadget and DVD editor software.
I know, you can install its then... but is not the same that to have them incorporated in the system.

I use both OS but on Mac I never have a blue screen neither any program crash. Casualities?

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I've never seen an 'honest' commercial, so what's the point to all this?

I think they are quite funny. To be funny there has to be some element of truth to twist.

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Restarts - Ok, so the Windows Kernel can not load/unload sections at a time. It's monolithic. So is Linux. Mach is a microkernel. Wow, that just means so little. Windows only needs restarting when its kernel crashes. Here's the problem - ignorant users who assume a program locking up makes for a mandatory restart. The pinwheel-of-death is an instance of Mac's "crashing." Just because a Mac has the equivalent of xkill means nothing. End Process works in Windows. Non-Point.

I went back a bit to reply--I would have to agree that End Process (and End Task) works pretty good in XP. I am one of those few graphic designers on a PC and not ashamed to admit it. It was pretty much an economic decision for me. A fairly decently equipped Windows box was just plain cheaper than a Mac, and my wife can load all her non-Mac software, too. Didn't really like Windows 98- it did seem fairly crash-prone, especially when running multiple memory-eating apps. However, I'd have to say that XP is a huge improvement...my system RARELY crashes. The Mac-guy vs. PC-guy commercials would have you believe that PCs crash on a regular basis. Bunk. Don't load crap on your system, install good Anti-virus software and keep it up to date, do all the "routine maintenence" like optimizing, registry cleaning, etc. and the system pretty much will hum right along.

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well, its not embarrasing to graph over a pc, god, i have more pc that mac, i have a hp lap top ffrom work, cus in mexico the graph buisness is sooo down....i dont work as a designer, and i built this entertaiment system,with windows media center edition, for that, windows is great, they should put it in every tv hahahah but just in that and pda's. I have a mac mini with a liliput touchscreen embeeded in my car, what pc can beat that,

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Corky_O

Join Date 04/2004

Microsoft may well be stepping in the right direction with Vista. The "Vista Ultimate" SKU will include:

- Media Center code

- Tablet PC code

- DVD editing and burning software

- Networking configuration options in one panel

- Code that will read the hardware and scale the OS to optimize performance for the given machine

- A driver model that makes use of the 3D capabilities of current video adapters

- Anti-spyware in Windows Defender, and at least a measureable improvement in security focus and features when connected to the web.

- A search feature that essentially eliminates the need to create structured folders manually, except for individuals who want to create the structured folders.

- And much more.

It would seem that if the performance is good, the PC platform running Vista may be quite easy to manage and include a lot of the benefits that the Mac currently offers in multi-media.

I for one look forward to reviewing in about a year, the reality vs. the current discussions, to see if one can indeed say that the PC platform has been improved by Microsoft's new OS.

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I think the one about viruses is hilarious. I downloaded it and play it occasionally for a laugh.
Of course it's all rubbish. It's marketing. But this tidbit...
'I think I gotta crash' (falls over backward).

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It don't come with any photo editor, video camera incorporated, music editor software, Dock bar, wheather gadget and DVD editor software.
I know, you can install its then... but is not the same that to have them incorporated in the system.

But if MS did that they would have even more people screaming about them monopolizing the market, more anti-trust BS, etc.

Heck, this is the OS that has to ship versions that don't come with a media player at all. Just try to imagine the anti-MS outrage if they included all that. Evil, evil MS.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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lolapoa ...it is clear that #76 WAS a copy/paste extract of another's article.

If you wish to do this you are obliged to credit the source....otherwise it is plagiarism.

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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I have tried (successfully) not to think of your first wife (for the same reasons) for years. Thanks to you and your last post . . . I have failed.

Now, now, take a shot or two of Pethadine, a few Valium, a coupla Prozac and settle down.

Thing is, if you suffer the same panic attacks; temper tantrums; hot 'n cold flushes; fainting spells; heart palpitations; loss of appetite; stomach disorders and the mothers of all scariest nightmares as me, keep a bottle of Chloroform handy...works wonders when conventional treatments fail.

Now back to investigating Macs! After checking out the Apple/Mac (Australia) website, I see that I can get a duo core 2.8 Intel based Mac with the newest Leopard OS and a 20" LCD for $2649 (Aus) Considering that I've already spent that much and more on my Windows based PC, and the Mac comes out of the box with a lot of essential applications, software, it's not such a bad deal. Hopefully it's on the cards in about 12 months.

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cactoblasta

Join Date 04/2004

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Before you buy it though Starkers you should check you don't qualify at all for the educational discount. It's not a lot, but it'll take a few hundred off the shelf price. It reduced my 12" ibook from 1800 bucks to a more competitive 1500, so it's definitely worth a shot.

True. I'd be all for Microsoft doing it though. Since I bought a Mac I care a lot less about the whole anti-trust deal. I know that if Microsoft goes too far I can switch to a Mac permanently. It'll be sad to leave 95% of the world's games behind but I'd live.

I'd much rather have all the programs I'd use regularly already installed and, most importantly, designed to work together smoothly, than have an empty OS that I have to spend hundreds of dollars on filling up with programs that'll probably try to kill each other.

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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Thanks muchly for the info, cactoblasta....I might've left school 48 years back, but recently I've been considering a return to learn more on computing, etc.

I've just been informed that we have an Apple Store here in Launceston, so I can go in there to research/investigate a Mac purchase more thoroughly: ie, ask up front questions and see things first-hand.

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I'd much rather have all the programs I'd use regularly already installed and, most importantly, designed to work together smoothly, than have an empty OS that I have to spend hundreds of dollars on filling up with programs that'll probably try to kill each other.

I agree. I would rather Windows come preloaded with all that stuff as well. OS X does it, Linux distros do it. But we can't have MS do it. That is just bad. . .

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I find the in-fighting between OS fans to be pretty amusing at times. I make no secret about my preference for Linux, Slackware in particular, and I do make the occassional joke about Windoze or OS/uX(<-----jokes) but really couldn't care less what someone else uses. One should use what works best for them.

You can even find the same sort of nonsense between users of different Linux distros. "My distro is better", "No, you're an asshat, mine is better". It's a great source of amusement.

I think the suit vs slacker ads to be funny as hell even if they are basically FUD of a sort. But then, what advertising isn't?

I use Linux because:
A. It works for me.
B. It's free and I'm a cheap bastard.

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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I agree. I would rather Windows come preloaded with all that stuff as well. OS X does it, Linux distros do it. But we can't have MS do it. That is just bad. .

Absolutely, and it was industry leaders such as Apple and Linux who brought the anti-trust suits against MS....and rather hypocritical in the light of day. I'm sure MS would love to be able to bundle more software with their OSes, but that's not acceptable to those who do the same and are praised for it.

Wouldn't it be nice if software/OS developers invested more in the benifits/merits of their own products to further their interests, rather than suing the opposition in the hope of suppressing their products, stunting their growth. Consumers would be better off and legal systems would be freed up to deal with 'real' crime.

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#94 by starkers
Sat, June 03, 2006 8:20 PM

Yeah, it's not like Microsoft ever engaged in any unethical business practices or anything.

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ADMIN JAFO, IT WAS A YOURTUBE VIDEO, SO.........WHAT IS THE POINT OF TAKING IT OUT, OH RIGHT.....U HATE ME CUS IM ON A MAC, JUST HAVE FUN AND CUSTOMIZE URS TOO LOOK LIKE ONE LOL TALK BOUT WINDOWS ZEALOTS...

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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lolapoa ...#88 was/is quite clear.

Plagiarism, or the bulk-posting of another's literary article without clarification or indication of credited source is not acceptable.

If you MUST take from someone as if it is your own 'thoughts' do so with appropriate credit.

'Fair Use' pertains to the quoting of EXTRACTS for teaching/educational/reference purposes.....entire reems of content is not 'fair use'.

It's nothing to do with Mac OR Windows or anything at all related....

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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Yeah, it's not like Microsoft ever engaged in any unethical business practices or anything.

Nobody is saying MS are angels. The point is that their most vocal critics are often those whose ethics, business practices can leave much to be desired....and when those very same companies engage in litigation against MS for doing the same or similar things, it's pure hypocrisy and becomes quite farcical. The money spent on lawyers and litigation could better be used to develop quality software to benifit consumers, rather than 'fat cat' legal eagles.

This is neither pro or anti MS, Apple or anyone....just a wish for a wiser deployment of resources, a better understanding and co-operation within the industry. All this inter-company bickering, to me, is counter-productive and, in some cases, tit for tat childish envy from 'purportedy' mature adults.

Put simply, some of them need to grow up and concentrate on the business at hand ....software/hardware development.

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Microsoft may well be stepping in the right direction with Vista. The "Vista Ultimate" SKU will include:

- Media Center code

- Tablet PC code

- DVD editing and burning software

- Networking configuration options in one panel

- Code that will read the hardware and scale the OS to optimize performance for the given machine

- A driver model that makes use of the 3D capabilities of current video adapters

- Anti-spyware in Windows Defender, and at least a measureable improvement in security focus and features when connected to the web.

- A search feature that essentially eliminates the need to create structured folders manually, except for individuals who want to create the structured folders.

- And much more.

It would seem that if the performance is good, the PC platform running Vista may be quite easy to manage and include a lot of the benefits that the Mac currently offers in multi-media.

It is quite remarkable the features you'll get in Vista Ultimate. It also will sport a quite remarkable pricetag of $450. My source is this: http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4463/53/ , but only read it if you want to check the cost of Vista and Office 2007 because the rest of the article is mainly flamebait. Almost no one will, or at least should, have to get the Ultimate edition. The way I figure, the Home Basic, Home Premium, and Business versions replace XP Home, Meida Center, and Professional editions, and those are the main 3 you're going to see. Only it appears that only high-end gamers and people who require the Tablet PC functionality would have a need for Ultimate.

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kudos to all for not turning this in to a flame war. Civilized mac/pc comparisons? A feather in your caps.

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